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[Catholic Caucus] ‘Move on’: Pope’s advice to U.S. conservative Catholics ‘mad’ at ideology slurs
Catholic Herald ^ | September 1, 2023 | Elise Ann Allen

Posted on 09/01/2023 7:06:59 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] ‘Move on’: Pope’s advice to U.S. conservative Catholics ‘mad’ at ideology slurs

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE – Pope Francis has told infuriated conservative American Catholics to “move on” after he accused them of putting ideology before their faith.

His comments came aboard the flight to Mongolia where he is undertaking a four-day official visit.

Asked by a member of the press corps if he found diplomacy difficult, the Pope replied, “Yes, you don’t know how difficult it is. Sometimes you need a sense of humour.”

He was then asked about comments he made about American Catholics during a conversation with Jesuits in Portugal, during which he accused them of having a “reactionary attitude” and of fostering a “climate of closure” by replacing their faith with ideology.

Francis seemed unbothered by the backlash his comments generated among American Catholics, saying, “Yes, they got mad, but move on, move on.”

On his flight from Rome to Ulaanbaatar, Pope Francis also said he had been listening to Russian composer Alexander Borodin to get a feel for the region.

In a brief greeting on his Aug. 31 ITA Airways flight, the Pope said that going to Mongolia meant visiting a small people, but “a great culture.”

“I think that it would do us well to understand this large and great silence,” he said, referring to Mongolia’s vast nomadic lands and culture of silence, saying, “It will help us to understand, but not with the intellect, with the senses.”

“Mongolia is understood with senses,” he said, and recommended listening to “the music of Borodin, who was able to express what this length and greatness of Mongolia.”

Borodin was a Romantic Russian composer and nationalist who lived from 1833-1887 and who belonged to a group of progressive Russian composers called “The Five,” or, “The Mighty Handful,” and who were interested in composing modern Russian music.

Borodin’s famed piece, “In the Steppes of Central Asia,” a symphonic poem composed in in 1880, is a poem that paints a picture in music of the interaction between Russians and Asians in the steppe lands.

The remark comes days after Pope Francis caused an outcry among Ukrainians by telling a group of Russian youths via video call that they are “heirs of the great Mother Russia”.

The remarks were met with immediate backlash from critics who denounced his remarks as “imperialist propaganda,” but were praised as “balanced” by Russian authorities.

Given that Mongolia has an almost 3,000-mile border with China, the fourth largest international border in the world, many observers see this trip in part as an opportunity for Pope Francis to address Beijing.

Francis flew over China en route to Mongolia Friday, the second time he’s been granted permission to do so after he also crossed Chinese airspace in 2014 on his way to South Korea.

As is customary, the Pontiff dispatched telegrams to the heads of state of the 11 nations he crossed over during the flight, in this case including one to Chinese President Xi Jinping.

“I send greetings of good wishes to your excellency and the people of China as I pass through your country’s airspace en route to Mongolia,” the Pope said.

“Assuring you of my prayers for the wellbeing of the nation, I invoke upon all of you the divine blessings of unity and peace.”

The Pontiff is on a formal visit to Mongolia, but will have a limited schedule, with just five events on his itinerary.

He will meet with national civil authorities and the country’s clergy and missionaries on Saturday, and on Sunday he will preside over an ecumenical liturgy and celebrate Mass, which is expected to be attended by Mongolia’s small Catholic population as well as Catholics traveling from nearby countries, including China and Russia.

Pope Francis will meet with representatives of charitable organisations and inaugurate a new charitable centre on Monday before returning to Rome.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; falsewitness; hatefulpope; slander
He (Bergoglio) was then asked about comments he made about American Catholics during a conversation with Jesuits in Portugal, during which he accused them of having a “reactionary attitude” and of fostering a “climate of closure” by replacing their faith with ideology.

Francis seemed unbothered by the backlash his comments generated among American Catholics, saying, “Yes, they got mad, but move on, move on.”

1 posted on 09/01/2023 7:06:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/01/2023 7:07:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

The Pope should read the Bible and try to understand it. It would help his faith.


3 posted on 09/01/2023 7:19:38 PM PDT by silent majority rising
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When talking about people, it is better to remember the adjective should always go with a noun, "a person," he said.

How about, "Bergoglio is a petty, hateful heretic."

5 posted on 09/01/2023 7:35:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

Mighty Christian of him.


6 posted on 09/01/2023 9:25:20 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: ebb tide

Francis has no concept of the American Catholic ideology.


7 posted on 09/02/2023 5:28:41 AM PDT by chopperk ( )
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Francis has no concept of the American Catholic ideology.

Francis has no concept of the Catholic Faith.

8 posted on 09/02/2023 11:01:00 AM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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