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Of Primates and Percentages: No, Humans Aren’t 99% Chimp Whether we are 99 or 84% similar to chimps genetically, there is clearly more going on than materialists can account for.
breakpoi ^ | 03/13/23 | John Stonestreet and Shane Morris

Posted on 10/01/2023 6:03:56 AM PDT by daniel1212

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To: daniel1212

For my learned friends and family members with extra letters before and after their names, who argue for “real science,” not “superstition,” I ask them one question none can answer:

Let’s suppose Mr and Mrs Chimpanzee gave birth to the first genetically human baby, (effectively a random large genetic defect that happen to be viable) when it reached sexual maturity, what did it mate with that would produce fertile human offspring, given the known genetic differences?

Locks them up. It’s scientifically impossible for a sperm with 46 chromosomes to form a zygote with an egg with 48 chromosomes. Nope. Ain’t happening.


21 posted on 10/01/2023 8:01:42 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: daniel1212

These days most humans are dumber than chimps.

Devolution.


22 posted on 10/01/2023 8:03:53 AM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: daniel1212
IDK. In some instances it appears to be pretty darn close.


23 posted on 10/01/2023 8:23:40 AM PDT by Bounced2X (Boomer - I survived childhood with no bike helmet.)
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To: daniel1212
Of Primates and Percentages: No, Humans Aren’t 99% Chimp Whether we are 99 or 84% similar to chimps genetically, there is clearly more going on than materialists laypeople - already suffering from a confirmation bias - who skim this article and compare it with the few fragments they barely remember from high school Biology, 40 years ago, can account for.

Regards,

24 posted on 10/01/2023 9:05:45 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: mjp
A non-functioning computer might be 99% identical to a working computer. A high school sophomore running the 100-meter dash might be 99% as fast as an Olympic World Record breaker. Etc.

I therefore submit that the entire "hook" for this article - a pointless argument about whether humans are 99% or 84% similar to chimpanzees - is a distraction and a diversion, and should be tabled forthwith.

Because, apparently, that last ONE PERCENT (or whatever the genetic difference is) is ENOUGH.

Now, to your posting:

Humans can use language to communicate complex ideas and concepts. Humans can reason abstractly about things that are not present in the physical world. Humans have a sense of morality and can distinguish between right and wrong. Animals do not have these abilities.

The part I marked in RED and HIGHLIGHTED is an example of circulus in probando, or circular reasoning. That's because, by using the word "morality," you have already posited that human beings possess some "spiritual" characteristic; you might have well as argued that, since humans have a "soul," materialism is an inadequate explanation.

Also: Any use of the word "morality" instantly violates the limitations of the domain of the discussion. Physical science and Theology are two separate domains.

Regards,

25 posted on 10/01/2023 9:20:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Blueflag
Let’s suppose Mr and Mrs Chimpanzee gave birth to the first genetically human baby, (effectively a random large genetic defect that happen to be viable) when it reached sexual maturity, what did it mate with that would produce fertile human offspring, given the known genetic differences?

This passage is garbled / syntactically flawed and makes no sense.

Also, your whole argument - such as it is - is also logically flawed. It would be akin to my asking you:

"Let's suppose that Jesus Christ were to appear back on Earth today and claim that he wasn't really the Son of God..." or

"Let's assume that God suddenly forced every living human being to believe in Him, and made it impossible for them to ever stop believing or to commit any further sin..."

Your initial supposition is namely so implausible - bordering on shear impossibility - than any further discussion is contaminated from the get-go. Any subsequent "apparent paradox" or "self-contradiction" that you then claim to "reveal" - supposedly refuting your opponent's position - was merely the result of your initial flawed supposition.

Regards,

26 posted on 10/01/2023 9:35:05 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: mjp
Good delineation.

Meanwhile, a Liberal is one who has the ability to reason that,


human life is only sacred once outside the female body, and to be exterminated if it would result in a burden, and or would interfere with career, education, etc. or possibly present a psychological danger to the women;
men can give birth, and chest feed;
gender is fluid (thus "they babies") once born, the product of the womb is to be treated as gender dysphoric, thus giving the parent, teacher etc. a sense of god-like power;
transitioning should not be delayed, and is to be paid for at tax payer expense;
homosexual relations are healthy and to be promoted;
all who deny that are to be maligned with disparaging labels, imputed guilt, and penalized, punished with economic sanctions, and worse;
that while smokers are to be warned, shamed, and penalized, those who practice sodomy are to be encouraged, and with a means of protection from and or treatment for HIV other resultant diseases paid for at tax payer expense. Likewise for all fornication in general;
all white persons are racists. and in denial if they claim otherwise (unless a member of the Left protected class);
black persons who deny that are not really black;
that race and ethnicity are to be determining factors in hiring and enrollment, over that of ability, character and compatibility;
that charges of such Affirmative Action et al being racist are to be denounced as racist, hateful, etc. as part of psychological warfare;
most anything negative can be blamed on anthropogenic Climate Change or racism, or some form of injustice;
the Liberal is to foster both guilt over such and a victim-entitlement mentality in order to obtain power, by presenting themselves as saviors of the oppressed;
that as members of the protected class of the Left, they can possess power, position and prestige without being charged with being selfish, arrogant, proud, lustful seekers of power;

You may want to add to this.

27 posted on 10/01/2023 9:53:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: alexander_busek
laypeople - already suffering from a confirmation bias - who skim this article and compare it with the few fragments they barely remember from high school Biology, 40 years ago

You mean when sources such as the American Museum of Natural History website state that "Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA" which is the only percentage mentioned, then they are also comparing it with the few fragments they barely remember from high school Biology, 40 years ago?

Likewise MIT: Researchers have learned that despite the 99 percent similarity between the DNA of humans and our closest relative (https://news.mit.edu/2005/chimp)

And https://www.science.org/content/article/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives: "Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA."

The parroting of this claim even today, with confirmation bias, which is not even from 40 years ago and is often unqualified, is what the article counters, and explains.

28 posted on 10/01/2023 10:16:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: daniel1212

if we desended from apes, why are there still apes? evolution favors those who adapt, not dyay the same.


29 posted on 10/01/2023 10:52:12 AM PDT by Ikeon (Dont like what you see? then look away. )
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To: Ikeon
if we desended from apes, why are there still apes? evolution favors those who adapt, not dyay the same.

Politically speaking, liberal candidates could be: Transphobia; homophobia; gender dysphoria Racism; climate change; _________

30 posted on 10/01/2023 11:57:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: jeffc

Didn’t take long.


31 posted on 10/01/2023 12:10:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

well.... when I see pictures of Whoopi Goldberg, I would believe if they said some humans are only a few generations evolved from apes...


32 posted on 10/01/2023 12:17:56 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Bob434

Do they ever do it TWICE?


33 posted on 10/01/2023 12:24:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ikeon

Why are we messing around with higher life forms?

Let’s get to the WHY there are ‘plants’ and there are ‘animals’.

TWICE ‘life’ evolved from GOO and went it’s separate ways??


34 posted on 10/01/2023 12:33:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
A man was once given a baboon heart--but did not live very long afterwards.

If chimpanzees have 48 chromosomes and people have 46, why the difference? Did our ancestors lose some? How do other apes compare to chimpanzees in terms of chromosomes? Have they managed to figure out how many chromosomes Australopithecines had? Or Homo erectus?

Chimpanzees and gorillas may not be able to speak, but a few of them have been taught sign language or using plastic symbols to convey meaning--they do have a certain level of intelligence (they can even "lie") although far below that of human beings.

35 posted on 10/01/2023 1:26:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: daniel1212

bump


36 posted on 10/01/2023 1:38:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Blueflag

Not how it works. And no, I won’t explain it. You can research it and hopefully realize your question is flawed.


37 posted on 10/01/2023 1:41:24 PM PDT by Fuzz (. )
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To: Fuzz

I understand how it works.

So you don’t have to explain it to me.

You’re fine.

Net: believe what you want to.


38 posted on 10/01/2023 3:06:52 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: alexander_busek

You’re trying too hard.

Net: fundamentally if the first 46 chromosome human, effectively a genetic error that was viable, was born to a set of 48 chromosome parents (chimps) ... then when that 46 chromosome human was sexually mature, there would be no genetically compatible humans to mate with.

Grammar be damned. God made humans, not evolution.


39 posted on 10/01/2023 3:12:20 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

If you think Mr. And Mrs. Chimpanzee can give birth to a homo sapien, you don’t know how it works, at all.


40 posted on 10/01/2023 3:15:19 PM PDT by Fuzz (. )
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