Posted on 12/10/2023 12:53:16 PM PST by daniel1212
Partly, by responding that scientific discovery and knowledge does not warrant the premise that the universe and everything therein can (at least someday) all be attributed to purely natural processes.
Meaning that the atheist/antitheist position claim that there is no Creator/God, is one lacking in evidential warrant and requires great faith. For it can only presume that an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered, intricate universe,* exquisitely finely tuned for earthly life with its extensive diversity and astounding complexity, came to be by known (or potentially known), purely natural demonstrable powers, as if it was Divine, without any supreme supernatural intelligence behind it.
And while man- using His God-given intelligence - has discovered causes and means of many things (like lighting) that were once attributed by some to purely supernatural causes, these are discoveries of how God created natural things to work, using laws He ordained, yet which are beside actions for organization of matter, and the programming of it which require supernatural powers and intelligence.
Moreover, rather than a trajectory of scientific discovery leading to a purely natural explanation of the universe, instead, the more that is discovered then the more perplexing competing hypotheses become
and the more absurd the atheistic denial of a creator becomes.For the Christian the evidence comports to the omniscient omnipotent God of the Bible as being the Ultimate First Cause, organizer and programmer.
Moreover, addressing the moral argument of antithiests, God, due to His very nature of knowing what every effect will be of every one of man’s choices - not only for this life but for eternity - has in that light a reason for His choices, including enabling man to make choices between alternatives - right or wrong - (unlike perfect robots) and thus effect consequences, for good as well as for bad, which to varying degrees affect others.
And unlike man, as omnipotent, God alone can make all things to ultimately work out for Good, with justice as well as mercy and grace;
And which Being cannot be judged regarding His choices by finite and exceedingly ignorant man as specks in this darkened corner of the universe, existing on earth in but a moment of time. Despite the ignorant railings of antithiests who essential must presume omniscience in charging an all-knowing God of immorality, while themselves have no sure supreme standard for morality, much less knowing what every effect will be of every one of man’s choices and the ability to make it all work out for what is objectively Good in the light of all that can be know.
Many of which atheists even deny a creator as a hypothesis and regardless of whatever evidence could be offered, as well as for the historicity of the Biblical Christ.
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2. https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/06/Fine-Tuning-Parameters-Jay-Richards.pdf
6. 'God: new evidence' - the fine tuning of the universe - part 1
7. When science and philosophy collide in a 'fine-tuned' universe
10. We Live in a Very Fortunate Universe
11. List of Fine-Tuning Parameters
12. List of Factors of Fine-Tuning of Intelligent Life in the Universe
13. Can DNA Prove the Existence of an Intelligent Designer?
14. [God DNA] Proves Presence of God” says Scientists
15. 82 Mind-Blowing Facts about DNA | FactRetriever.com
16. 'God: new evidence' - the fine tuning of the universe - part 1
17. Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
18. It Takes 26 Fundamental Constants To Give Us Our Universe, But They Still Don't Give Everything
19. The Universe as We Understand It May Be Impossible
Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible?
20. Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
21. Is Jesus Alive?
24. Dawkins [essentially] Admits Nothing Can Persuade Him God Exists
A list of 60 aspects are cited as regards the above is https://wng.org/roundups/a-fine-tuned-universe-1617224984
Quotes:
"according to many physicists, the fact that the universe is able to support life depends delicately on various of its fundamental characteristics, notably on the form of the laws of nature, on the values of some constants of nature, and on aspects of the universe’s conditions in its very early stages." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fine-tuning/ A listing of such follows.
“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.” - Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.
“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.” - George Ellis (British astrophysicist) Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30
“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.” - John O’Keefe (astronomer at NASA) Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 200.
“As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.” - Professor Freeman J. of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton
“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry in, "Physics Today" 25, pp. 23-28
“The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. - - Dr. Paul Davies, esteemed author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University.
“...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.)
16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here)
“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)
“...The capacity of DNA to store information vastly exceeds that of any other known system: it is so efficient that all the information needed to specify an organism as complex as man weighs less than a few thousand millionths of a gram. The information necessary to specify the design of all the species of organisms which have ever existed on the planet…could be held in a teaspoon and there would still be room left for all the information in every book ever written…” - Dr. Michael Denton (Australian microbiologist)
As regards “order,” from another non-Christian:
“The order of the universe is not an assumption; it’s an observed fact. We detect the light from distant quasars only because the laws of electromagnetism are the same 10 billion light years away as here. The spectra of those quasars are recognizable only because the same chemical elements are present there as here, and because the same laws of quantum mechanics apply. The motion of galaxies around one another follows familiar Newtonian gravity. Gravitational lenses and binary pulsar spin-downs reveal general relativity in the depths of space. We could have lived in a universe with different laws in every province, but we do not. This fact cannot but elicit feelings of reverence and awe.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
*As Albert Einstein observed, " We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."
“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.” - Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.
“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.” - George Ellis (British astrophysicist) Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30
“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.” - John O’Keefe (astronomer at NASA) Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 200.
“As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.” - Professor Freeman J. of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton
“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry in, "Physics Today" 25, pp. 23-28
“The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. - - Dr. Paul Davies, esteemed author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University.
“...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.)
16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here)
“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)
“...The capacity of DNA to store information vastly exceeds that of any other known system: it is so efficient that all the information needed to specify an organism as complex as man weighs less than a few thousand millionths of a gram. The information necessary to specify the design of all the species of organisms which have ever existed on the planet…could be held in a teaspoon and there would still be room left for all the information in every book ever written…” - Dr. Michael Denton (Australian microbiologist)
For non-seeking atheists, like their rebel master, their denial of God and rejection of a supreme judge even as a hypothesis, their adament position due to their unconscious desire to be as God, as the supreme judge (atheism being a progression of idolatry) rather than being subject to Him.
Thus, they effectively presume omniscience in sitting in moral judgment upon an omniscient and omnipotent creator (at least of the Bible). Who cannot be judged since the choices of an omniscient and omnipotent creator are made in the light of His unique knowledge of what all the effects will be of every choice, not only in this brief time, but for eternity.
And who can - as He promises to do - make all to work out for what is Good, with justice towards the idolaters, and mercy and grace toward those who want what God represents, and thus seek and find The Light, The Way The Truth and The Life, by the grace of God. (Romans 2:7
I note your careful and focused thinking.
So it’s a safe bet that you know some foregone conclusions don’t need to be changed because they are true. For example, that we think and exist.
Another is that morals are both objectively true and necessary. This one is a stumbling block for many, it seems.
Yes what made the atom didn’t come from a spam can.
Precisely. Thank you for saying so.
“it’s a safe bet that you know some foregone conclusions don’t need to be changed because they are true.”
To update the Yogi-ism: A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore. However, it is worth about 3 cents!
You appear to be unfamiliar with the research that points to the almighty spam.
You appear to be unfamiliar with the reason where did the atom and all matter in the universe come from.
First were told space was a void
Then the big bag
Rolling the dice doesn’t get it faking it is not a pay off in science.
Read later.
I will answer your questions in reverse sequence.
While it is evident that WWIII is about to start and it is evident that our country is far beyond bankrupt and ready to collapse, a say tis due to the great increase in both the number of weeds here on earth and the level of their activity. We are entering tribulation.
It will come in rwo parts, the first being the reign of the weeds causing turmoil on earth. That is happening right now. I have doubts that they will save our country or our currency.
The second part of tribulation are the earth changes caused by the increase of the Holy Spirit that is preparing us for Heaven on Earth. This is what the weeds fear and the reason they are creating the turmoil and screaming “global warming.” They fear the Holy Spirit on earth will destroy them. It will cast them out as they will perceive they are in hell.
I’ve posted the details before. They showed me that Iran will launch a nuclear missile at Israel, it will fall short in the desert and Israel will retaliate full force, destroying Tehran and Damascus.
Then China will move in as the false peacemaker. The price will be communism.
It will be short lived as the people in China will revolt and overthrow the CCP due to the increased of the Holy Spirit in the people.
This was shown to me in the early 1990’s.
I need to run. But will return to add more.
Five years ago I would have called that far-fetched at best. Today that sort of thing seems all too plausible.
It was really bizarre for me as in the early 1990’s China was still a third world country.
As part of the earth changes, I met with several astrophysicists and explained what I saw in the visions, including the reversal of the earth’s core. They said it would not happen due to the mass of the earth’s core. It happened and was in the news a few months ago.
Everything that is happening is unfolding according to God’s Plan. I won’t be upset if I see things turn crazy and the 2024 elections are canceled as what will be is exactly what is supposed to happen. From a higher perspective, it’s a wonderful event.
I must ask for a clarification on what you meant by “field.”
(2) How do you see the field developing in the coming years?
Nope, can’t even remember her name.
nope
Reversals of the rotation of the earth’s inner core are now thought to be routine and benign. Great damage has occurred though and will occur again from the eruption of a super volcano, from a massive asteroid impact or impacts, or from ejection of a large coronal mass from the sun.
Dan said it best up there:
The simplicity of the Gospel.
But Nostradumbass predicts something different.
Most of all, I wonder if consciousness in the form of near death experiences and out of body experiences, hypnotic life regression, and mediumship will get serious scientific study and be verified as genuine.
You could say there is NO GOd AT ALL and that will prove nothing.
Just think of the human body...what kind of an engineer could have designed such a wonderful “Machine” ??.
Look at the sun...look at the stars...Oh, sure it could happened by a gas explosion, or a magic wand...but WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT ...THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX, HAD TO HAVE A MASTERMIND TO PULL IT OFF.
WHETHER YOU ARE RELIGIOUS OR NOT...ALL OF THIS...THIS...IS A MIRACLE.
OH, YEAH, SURE, THERE IS NOTHING BEHIND ALL OF THIS ORDER AND PERFECTION.
AND...it is MORE THAN MICROSOFT, APPLE, GOOGLE, META
COULD DO!
Oh yeah, it could ALL HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTAL..
BUT IT TAKES A GOD...TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER.
If we’re going to be careful with language, the word “prove” in the title should be replaced with the word “demonstrate.”
And while we’re at it, anyone interested in thinking should note that everything demonstrates God’s existence.
I don’t care what anyone else predicts, other than the Bible. Science is the process of understanding God. Miracles are real, but they are science that we currently do not understand.
Back in 1990, I was explaining solar reversals and CME’s, before they hit the news. “They” showed me a planetary reversal of polarity. I needed to understand why, so I turn to evidence based science.
The same was true with consciousness and perception. I turned to neuroscience and psychiatry. Right now I’m studying cardiology to understand why the spiked proteins are blocking electrical transmission, specifically from the AV Node to the ventricals.
I found journal articles on the psychological attributes correlated with PFO’s, or Patent Foramen Ovale. Twenty-five percent of the population have these. Thirt-seven percent of people that die young have them. These are holes in the heart between the right and left atrium that not only allow blood flow to bypass the lungs causing hypoxia and strokes, but also appear to block the merging of masculine and feminine consciousness in the heart, and electrical transmission.
A heartache when a relationship breaks up is just one result or example to help understand how consciousness in the soul connects to and interfaces with the physical body.
Another are the examples on a donor’s psychological attributes being passed to donees in heart transplants. There are many such documented cases.
Another is the fact that the human heart will continue beating for several minutes on its own when removed from the physical body. Many drug user’s hearts will continue for 30+ minutes. There is no way the SA Node could hold that much of an electrical resevoir. I investigated this to understand a question from an ER physician friend on why overdose patients tend to pop back into their body after dying, while accident victims do not.
Blocking the electrical conductivity of the heart blocks Love. It separates masculine and feminine consciousness and shifts psychological attributes into a feminine emotional mode that resembles the consciousness pattern of a prrson in a hypnotic trance. This blocks the person from using logical discernment and makes them hyper suggestable to propaganda. This is what’s causing the “Mass Psychosis.”
This also blocks soul growth and is the reason the weeds used the vaccine to manipulate the psychological attributes of the masses.
Love really is the cure. Love God, and Love thy neighbor as “Thyself.” Thyself is the most important and the reason Paul stated that it is better to remain single than marry. (Two souls of opposing polarity (masculine and feminine) connect at the heart and use each other as a crutch to feel “Whole” and one in the eyes of God.
I state the above based upon observing actual consciousness flow patterns in people’s souls. The scientific investigations are just to understand what I observe.
The human soul is both masculine and feminine consciousness, no matter a person’s gender. Everyone in a human body has both, and Love is what binds them together, stabilizing them for soul growth.
Just like in electricity and pipe fittings, masculine is the inflow of soul energy from God (Father), and feminine is the outflow to God. Both are equally important, and like a lamp with two prongs on the cord to make it light up, the physical body is dead and the soul gone if both these connections are not available. (I think Tesla understood this.)
This is also why maternal connection is necessary for fetal development, and two parents are necessary to balance each other’s souls and block an unhealthy co-dependency between a parent (usually mother) and child.
Failure of society to provide a healthy two parent environment is the cause of all the gender identity issues in society today.
In the human soul, masculine consciousness spins to the person’s left, while feminine consciousness spins to the right. Whichever aspect of consciousness has the dominant spin is the gender identity, regardless of actual gender. This changes during normal soul development and growth.
The emotional child is feminine dominant while the ego self identity is dominant. The chaos that happens during mid-life crisis is the merging of the two.
Remember I mentioned that God is scientific? The first orbital of the human soul has two aspects of consciousness, masculine and feminine, that spin in opposite directions. This is similar to the structure of the atom where the first orbital has two electrons that travel in opposite directions.
Jesus was teaching us how to become “whole”, bound together with Love, so our souls can transcend to the next orbital or level of consciousness. This is androgeny, above masculine or feminine consciousness. This is what raises the EEG readings above 40 Hz into the gamma frequency.
Neils Bohr, the father of atomic theory discovered that ehen an atom from a higher orbital descends to a lower level, it gives off a photon or light. Human consciousness works the same way. The higher the level of consciousness, the greater the Love and Light.(Thus, my Father’s Mansion has many rooms) The higher the level, the greater the Love & Light. (Thus, I perceive the Holy Spirit as a Golden Light, while Heaven is a bright White Light.)
Prayer and meditation (focusing on God) is how we reach the higher levels of consciousness that increase our processing frequency and also our storage capacity, thus generating a higher intelligence. Note: this is why artificial intelligence cannot replicate the human soul as it lacks the feminine aspect of consciousness. This is also why the weeds are trying to attach to emotional humans, as alone they cannot reach the frequencies required to exist in the purity of Heaven.
This is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg of what I observe from a higher perspective.
Sorry for all the ramblings. I was not allowed to share much of this publically until now. It’s finally time after 35 years of biting my lip, since I first died and went to Heaven.
We are in interesting and wonderful times.
🙏🙏🙏
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