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To: fightin kentuckian
Mormons are in fact Christians and read the Bible and teach the Bible and pray to Jesus Christ and God the Father. And anyone who says different is a damn liar.

After I kept referencing the Bible in contrast to the god of Mormonism one angry Mormon told me that no one knew what the Bible was for 300 years, which also is an argument for oral tradition. The difference isthat instead of non-inspired RC writers being held as passing on the Deposit of Faith as defined by the RC magisterium (which invokes this tradition as rendering it possessing ensured veracity on different levels and degrees), Mormonism essentially claims this for its dictatorial “seer stone” Prophet and later successors.

But distinctive Mormonic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly God-inspired, substantive, authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels), which is is not that of the LDS Mormonic god, which is an exalted man, a man who became God, and had multiple wives, thereby begetting spirit children, with Lucifer and Jesus being spiritual brothers , and with full salvation being thru obedience to Mormonism.

God the Father is a married exalted-man (a physical being of "flesh and bones") having completed the process of becoming an exalted being by obedience to the god over him. And may have had multiple wives, along with Christ on earth (1);

having been a man like us) and with Jehovah-Christ being the brother of Lucifer (2);

born to the exalted Man-God and his Heavenly Mother goddess (3);

and who was born in Jerusalem in His incarnation (4);

and with celestial marriage being required for the highest exaltation (5);

in the tripartite Mormonic celestial kingdom (6);

with their polygamous god, as Mormonic men and women evolve into being a god as did their father who begat them as spirit children, begetting spirit children themselves (7);

while all the creeds of Christendom were declared to an abomination (8);

since golden-plate, seer-stone Joe Smith (9) got it right.;

Those who are ignorant souls including liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie (which some would relegate those who reject Mormonism as being) are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, remaining in spirit prison for 1,000 years after death before being converted and placed in ground-level of the celestial kingdom, while apostates no forgiveness live in eternal "Outer Darkness," torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. (10);

Yet Mormonism claims to be the the Christian church of the 1st century, and in fact claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.) and that people were called "Christians" as early as 73 B.C. (11

In contrast, the Scriptures which Joe Smith and followers profanely invoke in order to give their lies an air of authority, states that,

God always was God, that "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ." (Psalms 90:2)

God's essential nature is not that of flesh and blood, but spirit, for "God is a Spirit," (John 4:24) and "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me [Christ] have." (Luke 24:39)

Christ existed from eternity, (whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting:" Micah 5:2)

through whom Lucifer was created, (Ezekiel 28:13; Jn. 1:1-3; Col. 1:16)

God, as the Father, Son and Spirit, created all things by Himself, without any Heavenly Mother or angels helping: "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone ; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself ." (Isaiah 44:24)

In His incarnation Christ was born in Bethlehem ) which Scripture specifically records and affirms. (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1, 2:5,6,8,16, Luke 2:4,15; John 7:42)

Angels are not married, and those in the resurrection will be as they are. (Matthew 22:30)

There are only two locations in Scripture now in the after-life , these being with God or in Hell, which souls therein are cast into the Lake of Fire. The next conscious reality for believers will be with the Lord, (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) while for the lost it is torment and eternal punishment relative to their sins and accountability. (Rv. 20:10-15; Matthew 11:20-24; 25:41,46; Luke 10:11-12; 12:48; Hebrews 10:28-29)

In summation, rather than Mormonism being the one true church, faith in the Mormonic gospel is that of faith in "another Jesus, whom we have not preached, "another spirit," "another gospel, (2 Corinthians 11:4) with its absurd and unScriptural teachings of its "apostles," with its Mormonic god, which is is an exalted man, a man who became God, and had multiple wives, thereby begetting the spirit children, with Lucifer and Jesus being spiritual brothers, and with full salvation being thru obedience to Mormonism. The preachers of which are accursed, (Gal. 1:8) this not being the gospel of the N.T. church, and thus faith in the Mormonic gospel will send one to Hell, and hear the terrible words warned of by the True Christ: “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:22-23)

Meanwhile the Spirit is also described as being creator, Job 33:4) and as a person to whom lying to can result in death, (Acts 5:1-11) and believers are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit, (Matthew 28:19) which also denotes oneness.

All of which means that either Christ and the Spirit is God by nature along with the Father and thus demand a doctrine of trinity, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; (Colossians 2:2) or that the Scriptures contradict themselves and blaspheme God.

Mormons can only wish their exalted man-God had the Scripture warrant for the Trinitarian understanding of God, but that is why they must exalt other writings as also being Scripture, with the Mormon church being the supreme authority.

Additional resources: Utah Lighthouse™ Ministry; The Bible Versus the Book of Mormon

1. LDS 5th President Lorenzo Snow: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." Joseph Fielding Smith: "Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47). "‘God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens,’ and that men ‘have got to learn how to be Gods … the same as all Gods have done before.’ (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/becoming-like-god?lang=eng&_r=1) Orson Pratt , "The Seer". October 1853. 1 (10):. Retrieved October 9, 2017. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we should no doubt learn that these beloved women [Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene] were his wives. ... “ "Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity. ... We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, " pp. 158 ,172 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_polygamy#Teachings_on_the_multiple_wives_of_God_and_Jesus)

2 Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. (Doctrine and Covenants 93:21.)

3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng&_r=1)

4. born "at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers." Alma 7:10

5. Doctrine and Covenants 131:1–3; Gospel Principles: LDS Church 2009, pp. 219–224,272,277. "Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple. (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/language-materials/06195_eng.pdf, p. 272) "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 269, August 19, 1866).

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_glory#Celestial_kingdom

7. The Origin of Man & Organic Evolution (PDF). Rexburg, Idaho: Brigham Young University-Idaho. 2004. pp. 1–3: "All men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother ... [and are] capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God." (https://web.archive.org/web/20160805030919/http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/OriginOfMan.pdf); Doctrine and Covenants 131:7–8; https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng&_r=1; Marion G. Romney, "The Worth of Souls," Ensign, November 1978, p. 13.;

8 Joe Smith (1 April 1842), "History of Joseph Smith," Times and Seasons, Vol. 3, p. 748. (https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9825); , Gospel Principles, p. 11; Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 1976, p.132

9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)

10. Gospel Principles, p. 272,294; Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–88, 103–6, 109 (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76.84,105-106?lang=eng),

11. Mosiah 18:17 "And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward." Alma 46:15 "...yea, all those who were true believes in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come."


73 posted on 03/17/2024 6:01:57 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

You know your post sounds just as loony to non Christians as Mormon posts sound to you, right?


75 posted on 03/17/2024 6:05:18 PM PDT by Fuzz
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