Posted on 03/28/2024 5:23:40 PM PDT by DoodleBob
Shroud Ping.
No, not a chance.
This has always been fascinating to me.
Ten years ago, the evidence added up to a forenic certainty—performed by a scientist who was Jewish.
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The article appeared here at FR and I sent it to Christian friends who I knew would value my judgement in such matters of science.
ANSWER: Because science can't come to a conclusion until it can replicate the Shroud -- which nobody has been able to do.
The most remarkable thing about the Shroud of Turin is that it has all the characteristics of a photographic negative -- hundreds of years before photography was invented.
It’s always nice that the biblical history is validated. Yet, in the end, it all boils down to John 20:
29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
Christianity does not stand or fall on the authenticity or otherwise of the shroud. The New Testament is enough evidence.
>ping< I attended a three day seminar on the Shroud and it’s as authentic as possible; the dating was taken from a 13th. century repair job and not from the actual shroud itself.
The issue I have with the shroud is that it represents a 2D image as if the shroud would be completely flat, like photo paper…if the shroud were had been wrapped in a 3D body, when you unwrapped it and layer it flat, the 3D image would begin to warp, spread, widen as the shroud is flattened. You would tell that the image is still a person, but it would look more disfigured.
5 reasons to believe
They are more powerful than the reasons to doubt.
Imho.
I’ve read nearly every book in English on the Shroud, pro and con, and the evidence is very strong that the Shroud is genuine.
“ Christianity does not stand or fall on the authenticity or otherwise of the shroud. The New Testament is enough evidence.‘
I understand.
And please don’t take this the wrong way.
But then, the Shroud isn’t for you.
Many people have strong, unwavering faith. God Bless them.
Some of us go back and forth. Many are tempted. Faith is tested, constantly; when a Church is built, the devil pitches a tent across the street. I read once, and I am not saying this is dogma/Truth (but I buy it), that if demons weren’t invisible the sky would be darkened by them.
And there are those who are atheist or agnostic, but embrace free will and the pursuit of “why.”
The Shroud is for them; it stands as a beacon. Or, to use current syntax…
Society: There isn’t God; there is only science.
The Shroud: hold my beer….
I am glad Jesus left us The Shroud. Indeed, I am unaware of anyone saying “yea, I became an atheist because of the Shroud and that carbon dating” (which came from the patched piece of cloth).
Jesus’ head was wrapped in a separate cloth from His body (John 20:7).
Yes, it’s called the Sudarium of Oviedo, which has been kept in Oviedo Spain since 600 AD. In 1982, Dr Alan Whanger was able to show, using the Polaroid image overlay technique that he developed, that the suderium of Oviedo was wrapped around the same face as the man in the shroud.
He was also able to show, using the same technique, that the iconography of Jesus from the sixth century onward, was patterned after the shroud.
In 2002, in italy, the removal of the 16th century backing cloth exposed a rare type of stitch on the back of the Shroud, a stitch only known from one other place, the Masada Fortress in Israel.
This archaelogical connection adds authenticity to the Shroud story, as Masada was a witness to the Jewish revolt aligning with the historical timeline of Jesus.
Was this directed to everyone in your ‘to’ chain?
If so, I don’t know what you’re talking about.
The Shroud is an artifact, of interest to many people, for many different reasons. (One of the important scholars of the Shroud is a Jew.)
Don’t try to dictate who it is ‘For’. That’s not your job.
Christianity does not stand or fall on the authenticity or otherwise of the shroud.
True, but Catholicism does. I've never figured out why Catholics are so hung up over this. Bible believers don't need shrouds, idols, rosaries or etc.
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