Posted on 03/28/2024 5:23:40 PM PDT by DoodleBob
I think you’re wrong about Catholicism ‘standing or falling’ on the authenticity of the Shroud. The Catholic Church existed a long time before the Shroud became a ‘thing’.
Whoa….I added you because you voiced a fascination with the Shroud.
I’m fascinated, too.
It is equally fascinating for the views it elicits…even among the Believers we get into food fights over it.
I never met anyone, when the Shroud comes up, who did NOT have a view on it.
I am sorry for any offense.
I remember about 20 years ago watching a retarded documentary on one of the “educational” channels on the idiot tube. The meatheads said that the shroud could be easily forged with the use of a pizza oven like the ones they had back in the Middle Ages. They put a rag on a marble bust of a person and baked it in the oven for 25 minutes at 350 degrees. They pulled out a rag with some brown markings on it. I had been expecting a pizza.
My objection was to your arrogating to yourself the right to dictate whom the Shroud is ‘for’.
As I said, that’s none of your business. The Shroud exists, and its possible meaning belongs to anyone who is interested in it.
“True, but Catholicism does. I’ve never figured out why Catholics are so hung up over this.”
We like our gifts. God gave it to us. Just like He gave us the Bible.
“Bible believers don’t need shrouds, idols, rosaries or etc.”
We don’t have idols. And you don’t really believe in the Bible - just what your johnny-come-lately idols tell you to believe the Bible is.
Thank you.
And Thank you for the thread.
Wow. You nailed all the key points.
Anyone who thinks some medieval forger could come up with all that — please private message me — I have a bridge in New York City that I need to sell..
The Masoretic Hebrew for Isaiah 52:14 came out of Google Translate as:
When many have put on you yes-ointment from a man of his appearance and describe from men.
And the Septuagint Greek came out as:
In a way that many are raised up to you, that thy glory be glorified by men and thy glory by men;
...think maybe I will stick to the translations done by human scholars...
He said, You shall not make images to worship nor bow down to them.
Indeed…nobody’s is doing that here.
The face somehow does not look like someone of the tribe of Judah, at least to me. My faith is not shaken either way.
That’s mainly what has fascinated me. I just don’t see how it could be forged, back then. People have tried to explain how it was done, but they don’t convince.
Perhaps the face belongs to the shroud’s possible creator, the greatest human trickster of the ages. Leonardo Davinci. Master of anatomy.
Of course, I would wish for the shroud to be the real thing, but there is Occam’s Razor to contend with.
Nobody is worshiping an image. Do your research before becoming an iconoclast.
You should also tell God he’s a sinner for instructing the Israelites to build the ark, decorate the inside of the temple and make the bronze serpent, all of which are images.
And I bet you own at least picture Bible. Better burn that soon.
No. Jesus wasn’t a hippie. He kept his beard and hair trimmed short neatly, as required by Jewish law.
Satan is a great deceiver. They said Jesus didn’t stand out in the crowd. With that long hair, he’d stick out like a sore thumb.
Leonardo da Vinci was born a hundred years after the first documented display of the shroud in 1356, at Lirey, France. Da Vinci was good but not THAT good!
I believe the Shroud is genuine, but even if it isn’t, I don’t need to validate my belief in God and Jesus Christ from a 2000 year old linen. There is just too much evidence that it IS genuine. The pollen, the composition of the linen, even the bloodstains were shown to have hemoglobin present. That’s my recollection, anyway.
Jesus’ bodily imprint is what we see. How it got there, well, only God knows…
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