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To: DoodleBob; Alamo-Girl; albee; alrea; Ambrosia; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; Angelas; AniGrrl; ...
is this the face of Jesus?—PING!


SHROUD OF TURIN PING!

If you want on or off the Shroud of Turin Ping List, Freepmail me.

55 posted on 03/29/2024 11:53:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigots!)
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To: Swordmaker

Praise to You, Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory!


70 posted on 03/30/2024 8:56:15 AM PDT by Melian (✳✴️ Reminder: Memes are made to make you think or laugh. Verify for yourself before reposting. ✳️✴️)
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This is an interesting interview with Barrie Schwortz. (It’s had to tell these days how old YouTubes really are, but this looks relatively recent.) I especially liked his story about his ‘little Jewish mother’ around 1 hour and 28 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpMStZ_7ikQ


80 posted on 03/31/2024 7:39:11 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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I am engaged with someone who claims that one Ramsey discredited the Shroud's authenticity:
Carbon dating is possible.

The likely contamination will not alter the results.

Here is the proof test that have been performed.

In 2008 Christopher Ramsey, the director of the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, undertook test to analyze if

carbon-14 found on the weave may have been significantly affected by the weather, the conservation methods employed throughout the centuries, as well as the volatile carbon generated by the fire that damaged the shroud while in Savoy custody at Chambéry. As well as other similar theories including that candle smoke (rich in carbon dioxide) and the volatile carbon molecules produced during the two fires may have altered the carbon content of the cloth.

These tests show no significant reaction – even though the sensitivity of the measurements is sufficient to detect contamination that would offset the age by less than a single year.

Professor Ramsey noted that carbon monoxide does not undergo significant reactions with linen which could result in an incorporation of a significant number of CO molecules into the cellulose structure. He also added that there is as yet no direct evidence to suggest the original radiocarbon dates are not accurate.

Now fair enough that you do not agree with the carbon dating, but please provide some factual evidence to support your claim.

Saying the smoke altered the results is just a bit of hot air.

Furthermore you do realize that the pollen from Palestine theory has been widely discredited. Other studies and examinations have not been able to identify the pollen species with certainty.

One major study that examined the cloth has also concluded that the shroud's body image had been painted with a dilute pigment of red iron oxide. So yes there are paint pigment on the shroud.

It is an interesting historically significant object, but sadly it is not the shroud of Jesus. But that doesn't matter as a fake cloth should in no way diminish the message of Jesus or the believe in Christianity for people.

There have been successful attempts to reproduce it.

You can see the entire discussion here: Quora
83 posted on 04/03/2024 4:40:53 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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