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[Catholic Caucus] Cardinals worried about liberation theology in 2013 conclave, pope says
National Catholic Reporter ^ | April 4, 2024 | Justin McLellan

Posted on 04/06/2024 8:55:23 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Cardinals worried about liberation theology in 2013 conclave, pope says

A group of cardinals asked Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio in-depth questions about liberation theology and its political consequences before deciding to elect him pope in 2013, Pope Francis said.

In the book-length interview, "El Sucesor" ("The Succesor"), published in Spain April 3, the pope said he "did not realize" that he was a serious candidate for the papacy in 2013, but that he began to put together the pieces of a campaign to elect him after a group of cardinals asked him about liberation theology — a theological approach developed in Latin America that preaches a "preferential option for the poor" and seeks to free people from injustice and sin.

In the interview, Francis told Spanish journalist Javier Martínez-Brocal that a group of European cardinals "badgered" him with questions during a lunch between voting sessions March 13, 2013, only hours before he would walk out onto the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica and present himself to the world as the newly elected pope.

"They asked me things about Latin America," he said. "They wanted me to talk to them about the political aspect of liberation theology, the supposed political deviation of that theology."

As archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Bergoglio embraced the preferential option for the poor promoted by liberation theology, often tending to the Argentine capital's poorest neighborhoods and sending priests to work in those areas, but he criticized liberation theology's "recourse to Marxist hermeneutics."

His conversation with the cardinals appeared to calm their nerves, since Cardinal Bergoglio was elected pope that evening.

Francis said that despite earning votes in the conclave's ballots the evening of March 12 and the morning of March 13, "I interpreted them as 'placeholder votes,'" or votes cast by electors waiting to see who emerges as clear candidates before voting for their real choice.

He recalled that several cardinals went to speak with Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan, a candidate widely reported as a papal favorite by the media, and shared that he later learned Cardinal Scola told them to "vote for Bergoglio."

The pope also said that he had not written down the speech he made to other cardinals in pre-conclave meetings, in which he condemned the idea of a "self-referential church" which traps Jesus inside and prevents evangelization, but rather that it came to him in a car ride conversation with another cardinal while heading to a meeting.

Francis said that he did not have doubts over whether to accept becoming pope after being elected, and he dismissed rumors that he had considered choosing the name John instead of Francis.

After the election, the pope said, he turned down wearing the red shoes typical of a pope "because I use orthopedic shoes." He also turned down a ring he was offered and wanted to keep his own pectoral cross rather than wear a jeweled one.

Dressing in plain white without the red papal mozzetta — a cape-like vestment that is a sign of authority — "seemed to me the most simple," he said. But he added that "it was not a premeditated decision, everything happened very naturally."

After leaving the sacristy of the Sistine Chapel, he said, he walked to greet Cardinal Ivan Dias of Bombay and stumbled over an unseen step. "The first misstep of the pope," he joked to the nearby cardinals who laughed in response.

The pope said that when stepping out onto the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica he accidentally broke protocol by not walking out alongside the camerlengo, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, but with two other cardinals instead. And he noted that he had not thought about what he would say to the throngs of people waiting to hear the first words of the new pope in St. Peter's Square, but "it just came out of me: 'Brothers and sisters, good evening!'"



TOPICS: Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: collusion; communism; invalidconclave; liberationtheology; lyingpope
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As archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Bergoglio embraced the preferential option for the poor promoted by liberation theology, often tending to the Argentine capital's poorest neighborhoods and sending priests to work in those areas, but he criticized liberation theology's "recourse to Marxist hermeneutics."

So says Xi Jinping's red puppet pope, who claims "communists are closet christians" and "the communists have stolen our flag".


1 posted on 04/06/2024 8:55:23 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The reflective time during the Octave of Easter and your “Pentecost” of driving out the Pope, smashing Vatican II, condemning Saints, and your other shenanigans, are seemingly in full gear, ebby. I guess that means, “’tis the season!”


2 posted on 04/06/2024 9:08:58 AM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: Oystir

You seem to “guess” a lot of things about me, foister.

Remove the plank from you own eye...


3 posted on 04/06/2024 9:12:58 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Barf Alert Ping


4 posted on 04/06/2024 9:27:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
"They wanted me to talk to them about the political aspect of liberation theology, the supposed political deviation of that theology."

Whoa! Whoa!

Hang on! . . .

The "supposed" deviation of Liberation [eager Marxist enslavement] Theology????

Perhaps "in pectore" (as it were) Francis was never deeply opposed to the Marxist evil he vaguely claims to oppose.

5 posted on 04/06/2024 9:48:57 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: ebb tide

Seriously, eb, the drumbeat of this diatribe of articles you post, abusing the Pope, VII and others in the Church, is getting old and out of touch. The resurrection is only days ago. So, I’ll ask again, this anger persists in Easter?

An example that people are fed up with it:

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/wisconsin-bishop-charges-vigano-with


6 posted on 04/06/2024 1:43:11 PM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: Oystir

We pray for you. Must be hard.


7 posted on 04/06/2024 5:31:53 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Oystir
Seriously, foister, any day I can get you and your ilk (Bergoglio, Jimmy Martin, etc.) riled up, is a productive day for a traditional Catholic like me.

Go back to your Where is Peter rag and commiserate with Mike Lewis.

And as far as your sanctimonious lecturing about my posts during Easter Week; it was you who fantasized about me dancing naked during Holy Week.

8 posted on 04/06/2024 7:34:43 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir

A thin skinned Archbishop who allows pagan ceremonies in his cathedral is “people who are fed up with it”? Straining at gnats while swallowing camels.


9 posted on 04/06/2024 11:56:56 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread")
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To: ebb tide

Saint or damnation, ebby?:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2024/04/07/dfp-obituary-bishop-thomas-gumbleton/73219645007/


10 posted on 04/07/2024 7:03:24 AM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: Oystir

To quote your hero, Humble Jorge,: “Who am I to judge?”


11 posted on 04/07/2024 10:30:45 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

No postings today, ebby? Seems odd. The Pope must have really disappointed you by proving he is Catholic, that he is the leader of the Catholic Church -through the grace of the Holy Spirit, and that he upholds Catholic teaching. I hope you recover...Have your looney, inflammatory websites issued apologies yet? Has the speculation of the antipope diminished? Are you singing Kumbaya?

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-04/human-dignity-ddf-document-migration-gender-surrogacy-war-theolo.html


12 posted on 04/08/2024 2:00:27 PM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: Oystir
Oh, yee of little knowledge:

Three Heresies in “Dignitas Infinita.”

The newly-invented “DDF” just released Dignitas Infinita. It has many heresies, but we’ll just tackle a few below:

Much more coming your way, foister.

13 posted on 04/08/2024 4:10:28 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir

He’s no saint. He hosted a blasphemous fag Mass in the early nineties that had a question mark instead of a crucifix or cross over the “altar”. He dissented from De Fidae teachings. I hope he repented and was saved but his actions as a Bishop are indefensible.


14 posted on 04/08/2024 4:45:54 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread")
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To: Oystir
Dignitas Infinita: On Unbridled Humanism

At over 15,000 words, one must think seriously before dedicating the time and energy necessary to read, much less evaluate, the Declaration in its fullness. I have yet to do so, in fact, I plainly admit that I may never make that investment. 

Even so, I have read enough of the text to conclude that neither its teaching nor its authors are even remotely Catholic. For that reason alone, the text has value, namely, as yet another piece of irrefutable evidence that the conciliar church – the globalist operation presently in occupation of the Vatican – is a counterfeit. 

15 posted on 04/08/2024 5:13:22 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir
Heterodox pro-LGBT Bishop Thomas Gumbleton dies at 94

The auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Detroit spent the vast majority of his public life 'scandalizing souls and attacking the immutable teachings of the Catholic faith.'

Bishop Sample Makes an Example of Bishop Gumbleton: Not in My Diocese

The worthy successor of Bishop Baraga of the diocese of Marquette has banned Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of Detroit from speaking in his diocese. Although he could have cited many heresies of the radical activist, he chose to mention Gumbleton’s liberal stands on women’s ordination and the homosexual agenda.

16 posted on 04/08/2024 7:12:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir
So Bergoglio and Tucho are taking their lead from the U.N.:

This ontological dignity and the unique and eminent value of every man and woman in the world was reaffirmed authoritatively in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, issued by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948.

DECLARATION “DIGNITAS INFINITA” ON HUMAN DIGNITY

The same U.N., foister, that is pushing abortion and legalization of sodomy in its goal of a New World Order. And Humble Jorge is toeing the line.

17 posted on 04/08/2024 8:02:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir
The Pope must have really disappointed you by proving he is Catholic, that he is the leader of the Catholic Church -through the grace of the Holy Spirit, and that he upholds Catholic teaching.

Bergoglio must have really pleased you, foister, by proving he is not a Catholic, that he is a puppet of the U.N -through the conniving of the St Gallen Mafia, and that he abhors Catholic teaching.

18 posted on 04/08/2024 8:08:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir
In Fratelli Tutti, Pope Francis wanted to underscore that this dignity exists “beyond all circumstances.”

How do you, Tucho and Bergoglio explain the following, foister:

The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born.[Matthew 26:24]

Yet Bergoglio has a depiction, hanging in his office, of the resurrected Christ ministering to a dead Judas.

Pope Francis and His Obscene Judas Painting

19 posted on 04/08/2024 8:26:11 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Oystir
The Pope must have really disappointed you by proving he is Catholic, that he is the leader of the Catholic Church -through the grace of the Holy Spirit, and that he upholds Catholic teaching.

Little man with a gigantic megaphone, uh, foister?

20 posted on 04/10/2024 8:36:26 AM PDT by ebb tide
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