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To: goldenstategirl
Good post. I was under the impression these myths were true until Catholicguy told me about one of the books in a previous thread.
While I admire Fr. Fessio's advocacy of obligatory priestly celibacy, IMO, he overplays his hand. Take the following, for example:
The truth is that the Church's obligation of celibacy goes back to the apostles in an *unbroken* line.
I have one of the books listed in Fr. Fessio's "message" with me right now -- Celibacy in the Early Church, by Stefan Heid (the original German edition was published in 1997) -- and everything in my post #23 above is based on that book. Here's an extended excerpt from Chapter 1:
The broad outline of the last fifty years of celibacy scholarship shows that something has occurred that not infrequently causes misunderstandings in historical research: a one-sided formulation of the question has produced one-sided answers. Scholars took the present discipline of celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church as their point of departure and searched for a pattern of clerics in the unmarried state in the first centuries. This, however, they did not find -- at any rate, not for all clerics. The question that they should have asked is whether the early Church perhaps knew a different discipline of continence. This was the approach of the older German scholarship in the nineteenth century. But that was though to have been refuted scientifically, and so these contributions were consigned to oblivion.

Actually, if this deficit has not become evident already, it ought to when on looks at the Church's legislation. That is to say, according to canon law an exclusively unmarried clergy, as we know it today, existed at all only after the Council of Trent (1521-1545). Even the above-mentioned Second Lateran Council, which is repeatedly cited as the beginning of the history of celibacy, did not intend to exclude married men from holy orders; it merely declared marriages contracted after the reception of orders to be invalide (canon 7). [Emphasis added.]

The word "exclusively" emphasized above is significant. Heid is not saying that the Church did not practice clerical celibacy prior to Trent, but that the exlusively celibate diocesan priesthood has only been around for about 450 years, or about one-quarter of the Church's history. (Indeed, as I'm sure you're aware, there are presently former Anglican priests who are now married Catholic priests in the Roman rite, as well as Eastern-rite married Catholic priests who are in communion with Rome). Accordingly, one should exercise restraint in trying to read the tridentine model of clerical celibacy back to the apostolic age.
30 posted on 04/28/2002 1:51:46 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
Thanks for the post. This certainly seems to be a complex issue.
35 posted on 04/28/2002 5:47:14 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: eastsider
Accordingly, one should exercise restraint in trying to read the tridentine model of clerical celibacy back to the apostolic age.

Thanks for your post.

Although he's viewed as a troll around here, Richard McBrien made the point this morning that mandatory celibacy IS related to the present crisis, if only because it draws certain kinds of personalities to the priesthood.

If a requirement for serving in Congress was mandatory celibacy for males, we would have an entirely different makeup in that body than we do today. And there would be more gays in Congress as well.

Those, like me, who argue for admitting married men to the priesthood recognize that the pool of candidates would be much larger, and seminary authorities could be much more selective in who they admit.

I find it rather odd that the American Catholic Church has a priesthood overrun with sexually active gays, when it could have had a priesthood overrun with sexually active married men if optional celibacy had been considered at Vatican II.

36 posted on 04/28/2002 5:50:23 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: eastsider
You have given great information here. It's no small thing to come onto these threads and find posters such as yourself bearing witness to helpful insights; a comfort in a troubling time. V's wife.
62 posted on 04/29/2002 4:43:43 AM PDT by ventana
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To: eastsider
Hi eastsider,
I'll have to get that book. Sounds interesting. I've read "Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy" and, although it shows that celibacy has been with us since apostolic times, it does not prove that it was exclusive. Pretty good read nonetheless.

God Bless,
TM

64 posted on 04/29/2002 7:36:22 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: eastsider
What does Heid have to say about the discipline of lex continentiae required of the clergy and does he mention the establishment of seminaries and their effect on the cessation of recruiting priests from amongst married men?
65 posted on 04/29/2002 7:40:13 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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