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To: Irisshlass
>>This has been a surprisingly disappointing and spiritually empty papacy.

You have to be kidding...

I'm not sure if you're serious IrishLass, but Ultima's comments seem pretty self-evident to me. Look at the OBJECTIVE situation, not the spin put on it by apologists. The facts are that we members of the Church are mostly living spiritually empty lives. Facts show that virtually all Catholics are living in an objective state of mortal sin.

This is the interior reality which you can connect to the exterior reality of closed churches, empty convents, shuttered seminaries. And of course the daily dose of anti-Catholic reporting on the front pages of the newspapers.

Thank God we are now on good terms with the modern world since Vatican II. I can hardly imagine what the Boston Globe would write if we were still antagonistic to the modern lifestyle they espouse.

Even the supporters of the New Mass admit that most services are irreverant banal travesties. But they point to a few good ones here or there. No one goes to confession anymore. Even baptisms and marriages are way down.

And remember that our experience in the US is one of the BEST in the world. Canada is worse, and Europe is much worse than Canada. The Church has collapsed everywhere.

Meanwhile we get "happy talk" from the authorities. A "new springtime" is just around the corner. I'm beginning to think that the new springtime won't arrive any sooner than it did in Narnia where it was "always winter but never Christmas" -- that is, not until the second coming.

46 posted on 10/18/2002 9:44:26 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
The facts are that we members of the Church are mostly living spiritually empty lives. Facts show that virtually all Catholics are living in an objective state of mortal sin.

I'm not..

No one goes to confession anymore

I do..very rare for me to take Holy Communion without confession...

The Church has collapsed everywhere.

I disagree...
48 posted on 10/18/2002 9:50:56 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Maximilian
I'm beginning to think that the new springtime won't arrive any sooner than it did in Narnia where it was "always winter but never Christmas" -- that is, not until the second coming.

In Narnia, that springtime was an allegory for the Passion, Death, and Resurrection, not the second coming.

The analogy doesn't exactly fit.

Be that as it may, I agree with you here deep down in my soul, I usually just don't admit it publicly.

54 posted on 10/18/2002 10:04:19 PM PDT by Polycarp
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