A "Catholic" pro-abortion view....

Detroit Free Press ^

[narses]

Three professors in an Oct. 17 column assert the incompatibility of Jennifer Granholm's public stance on abortion with her personally expressed faith in the official teachings of the Catholic Church ("Granholm's abortion stance is off base: Natural law as well as faith refute her view"). The question is a complex one and deserves more than a statement of condemnation in the most general terms.

[narses]

An outraged PING!

[polemikos]

An authentic respect for life must embrace a whole spectrum of issues affecting life including respect for freedom, housing, employment, education, nutrition, health care, etc.

Ah! So-called "Catholic Social Teaching" being used to justify all kinds of socialist and humanist nonsense. Get your pocketbooks out.

[sinkspur]

But when that teaching proves incomplete, or unconvincing, Catholics have both the right and responsibility to follow their well-formed conscience.

Catholic teaching on abortion is far from incomplete or unconvincing: in the absence of certain knowledge as to whether a human being is present at conception, one must conclude in favor and protection of the possibility of a human being. A Catholic's conscience is not well-formed if they do not decide in favor of the possibility of life.

As governor, she would be required to uphold the laws of the state and of the country.

This is true. George Bush, as president, is required to uphold the laws of the United States, but he can oppose them, and he opposes abortion on demand. John Engler, current governor of Michigan, also opposes abortion and that stance is not to his political detriment.

An authentic respect for life must embrace a whole spectrum of issues affecting life including respect for freedom, housing, employment, education, nutrition, health care, etc.

Of course. But, without life, life snuffed out by abortion, these are incidentals.

If protecting life is negotiable, as these priests appear to believe, then everything in Catholic morality is negotiable.

[cebadams]

Unbelievable but true. Wanted to make sure you saw this.

[RobbyS]

I am thinking about mailing a copy of John Noonan's "Contraception " to each of these characters. Noonan, who is certain as "liberal" as they are on most social issues, has pointed out that it has been the teaching of the Church since the beginning that abortion as homicide. Typical was the langauge of the bull "Effraenatum" of Pope Sixtus V,(1588) which begins by paraphrasing Augustine:

Who does not abhor the lustful cruelty or cruel lust of imipous men, a lust which goes so far that they procure poisons to extinguish and destroy the conceived fetus within the womb, even attempting by a wicked crime to destrpy their own offspring before it lives, or if it livs to kill it before it is born.

"All the penalties against homicide of both canon and civil law were invoked against those producing an abortion, " continues Noonan. With such priests by her side , no wonder the lady holds to such pernicious views. They should be disciplined for teaching bad science. Why involve the incompetent authority of St. Thomas, who was ignorant of facts of embryology that are now available to every high school students?

[cebadams]

This paragraph is really interesting:

Finally, there is the recognized responsibility of individual Catholics to follow their well-formed consciences in making specific decisions. Certainly Catholics have a responsibility to give careful and prayerful consideration to official Catholic teaching. But when that teaching proves incomplete, or unconvincing, Catholics have both the right and responsibility to follow their well-formed conscience.

Why stop at Catholic Social Teaching. This implies much more than that! Apparently, we as Catholics, should be following our own well-formed conscience on such matters as the real-presence, original sin, the trinity, ...

[madprof98]

Perhaps this group of worthies could be invited to sprinkle a bit of holy water on Granholm on the occasion of her inauguration. Or will she perhaps get a bishop to do it?

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

More moral relativists masquerading as Catholic priests. I'll bet on Friday nights they join Doc Orten in some good old Catholic bashing.

[Siobhan]

This is worse than the present the neighbor's Irish wolfhound left on my front lawn this evening...

[Siobhan]

May the guardian angels of all the murdered preborn children whisk these 'priests' to God's throne for summary judgement of them and their support of Jennifer Granholm 'following her conscience'.

[saradippity]

But when that teaching proves incomplete,or unconvincing,Catholics have both the right and responsibility to follow their own well-formed conscience.

Yes,Catholics led by these three should follow their "well-formed consciences" right out of the Church.Neither the Church or the country is served well by men or women who lie.People,priests especially,who are Catholiic and are not in union with the Church are imposters.

[Jalapeno]

What has always amazed me about the great debate between NY Homosexuals and the Catholics at St. Patrick's Day Parade, is that there is a debate. Things seem very clear to me on that issue, and I am by no means well schooled in scholarly debates about what parts of Homosexuality is wrong or not. To me it's always just a simple choice. We should never be proud to be sinners, and should never try to justify our sin to others.

I see the same thing in this abortion debate. People are quibbling over the definition of conception, or the greater effects of those that are 'allowed' to live, when in reality the answer is easy. Don't do it! Period. Sheesh.

Someone who thinks an anti-abortionist cannot govern where abortion is legal is and idiot.

[Siobhan]

ping...

[catherine of alexandria]

tks for the ping.

People this day and age are just not afraid of Hell, and live their lives like there is no Hell.

Pro-Life BUMP.

[narses]

Legend has it that Corwallis had played "The World Turned Upside Down" when he surrenderd. When a Bishop of the Holy Roman Catholic Church does that, what could be a more fitting dirge?

[Dr. Scarpetta]

Bump

[narses]

Thanks Doc. I hope someone with the right skill set finds adress and email data for these clerics and the hierarchs responsible.

[Salvation]

Well-formed conscience, huh?

Maybe these individuals and Granholm need to take another look at the photo index and then tell me what their consciences tell them.

[Chesterbelloc]

The Rev. Dr. Kenneth Kaucheck Pastor, St. Anastasia Troy

Website: http://www.stanastasia.org

Email: frkaucheck@stanastasia.org