Posted on 10/12/2003 9:35:25 AM PDT by CCWoody
Perhaps the most famous sermon ever preached in America was the one Jonathan Edwards delivered entitled "Sinners in the hands of an Angry God." Not only has the sermon been reproduced in countless catalogs of preaching but it is included in most anthologies of early American literature. So scandalous is this vivid portrayal of unconverted man's precarious state under the threat of hell that some modern analysts have called it utterly sadistic.
Edwards' sermon is filled with graphic images of the fury of divine wrath and the horror of the relentless punishment of the wicked in hell. Such sermons are out of vogue in our age and generally considered in poor taste and based on a preenlightened theology. Sermons stressing the fierce wrath of a holy God aimed at the impenitent hearts of men do not fit with the civic meeting hall atmosphere of the local church. Gone are the Gothic arches; gone are the stained-glass windows; gone are the sermons that stir the soul to moral anguish. Ours is an upbeat generation with the accent on self-improvement and a broad-minded view of sin.
Our thinking goes like this: If there is a God at all, He is certainly not holy. If He is perchance holy, He is not just. Even if He is both holy and just, we need not fear because His love and mercy override His holy justice. If we can stomach His holy and just character, we can rest in one thing: He cannot possess wrath.
If we think soberly for five seconds, we must see our error. If God is holy at all, if God has an ounce of justice in His character, indeed if God exists as God, how could He possibly be anything else but angry with us? We violate His holiness; we insult His justice; we make light of His grace. These things can hardly be pleasing to Him.
Edwards understood the nature of God's holiness. He perceived that unholy men have much to fear from such a God. Edwards had little need to justify a scare theology. His consuming need was to preach it; to preach it vividly, emphatically, convincingly, and powerfully. He did this not out of a sadistic delight in frightening people, but out of compassion. He loved his congregation enough to warn them of the dreadful consequences of facing the wrath of God. He was not concerned with laying a guilt trip on his people but with awakening them to the peril they faced if they remained unconverted.
Let us take a moment to peruse a section of the sermon to get but a taste of its flavor:
The God that holds yore over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider; or some loathsome insect, over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet, it is nothing but his hand that holds you from filling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you were suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.O sinner! consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, fill of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment…
The pace of the sermon is relentless. Edwards strikes blow after blow to the conscience-stricken hearts of his congregation. He draws graphic images from the Bible, all designed to warn sinners of their peril. He tells them that they are walking on slippery places with the danger of falling from their own weight. He says that they are walking across the pit of hell on a wooden bridge supported by rotten planks that may break at any second. He speaks of invisible arrows, which like a pestilence, fly at noonday. He warns that God's bow is bent and that the arrows of His wrath arc aimed at their hearts. He describes the wrath of God that is like great waters rushing against the floodgates of a dam. If the dam should break, the sinners would be inundated by a deluge. He reminds his hearers that there is nothing between them and hell but air:
Your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead, and to tend downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell and if God should let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend and plunge into the bottomless gulf; and your healthy constitution, and your own care and prudence, and best contrivance, and all your righteousness, would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you out of hell than a Spider's web would have to stop a falling rock.
In the application section of the sermon Edwards places great stress on the nature and severity of God's wrath. Central to his thinking is the clear notion that a holy God must also be a wrathful God. He lists several key points about the wrath of God that we dare not overlook.
1. Whose wrath it in The wrath of which Edwards preached was the wrath of an infinite God. He contrasts God's wrath with the anger of men or the wrath of a king for his subject. Human wrath terminates. It has an ending point. It is limited. God's wrath can go on forever.
2. The fierceness of God's wrath. The Bible repeatedly likens God's wrath to a winepress of fierceness. In hell there is no moderation or mercy given. God's anger is not mere annoyance or a mild displeasure. It is a consuming rage against the unrepentant.
3. It is an everlasting wrath. There is no end to the anger of God directed against those in hell. If we had any compassion for our fellow-men, we would wail at the thought of a single one of them falling into the pit of hell. We could not stand to hear the cries of the damned for five seconds. To be exposed to God's fury for a moment would be more than we could bear. To contemplate it for eternity is too awful to consider. With sermons like this we do not want to be awakened. We long for blissful slumber, for the repose of tranquil sleep.
The tragedy for us is that in spite of the clear warnings qf Scripture, and of the sober teaching of Jesus on this subject, we continue to be at ease in Zion with respect to the future punishment of the wicked. If God is to be believed at all we must face the awful truth that someday His furious wrath will be poured out.
Edwards observed:
Almost every natural man that hears of hell flatters himself that he shall escape it; he depends upon himself for his own security; he flatters himself in what he has done, in what be is now doing, or what he intends to do. Every one lays out matters in his own mind how he shall avoid damnation, and flatters himself that he contrives well for himself and that his schemes will not fail
How do we react to Edwards' sermon? Does it provoke a sense of fear? Does it make us angry? Are we feeling like a multitude of people who have nothing but scorn for any ideas about hell and everlasting punishment? Do we consider the wrath of God as a primitive or obscene concept? Is the very notion of hell an insult to us? If so, it is clear that the God we worship is not a holy God: Indeed He is not a God at all. If we despise the justice of God, we are not Christians. We stand in a position which is every bit as precarious as the one which Edwards so graphically described. If we hate the wrath of God, it is because we hate God Himself. We may protest vehemently against these charges but our vehemence only confirms our hostility toward God. We may say emphatically, "No, it is not God I hate; it is Edwards that I hate. God is altogether sweet to me. My God is a God of love." But a God of love who has no wrath is no God. He is an idol of our own making as much as if we carved Him out of stone.
If you and I disagree about the 6th Chapter of John re the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist - Body, Blood, Soul, Divinity - to whom are we to appeal to authoritatively answer and settle the dispute as to which is the true and accurate meaning of that disputed passage?
Do we appeal to concordances, lexicons, or do we appeal to the Living Magisterium, His Church, "he who hears you hears me..and if he will not hear them , tell the church. and if he will not hear the church. let him be to thee as the heathen..
Now, it is ineluctable the Universal (Catholic is Greek word) Church Jesus established in Matt 16:18 has always taught the Real Presence and it has repeatedly taught Infalllibly in Ecuemnical Councils, Papal Encyclicals etc and so, for me, the answer is obvious.
I thought your question rhetorical. Yes, God has forknowledge. Had He not, He'd not be God.
Was that church free from error when it covered up priests who went after little boys?
From your post
I'm sorry but do Calvinists has some sort of "Elect-detector" so that they can so easily toss-off comments like "Well, this person or that person may not be saved?"
What exactly are the criteria in this life to know if one is "saved" or not? And is that criteria so defined that so manyCalvinists can so flippently remark about the salvation of others?
Your post was to me about that comment I made..yet you broadened it to be "Calvinists".I do not represent all calvinists..I was not elected or appointed ...so to broaden what you perceive as my judgment on someone's salvation to cover "calvinists' is unfair and incorrect.
I will point out that I made no definitive judgment on the condition of the mans soul/ I did not say he must be unsaved or He is unsaved What I said was
My guess is if someone uses it as a club or claims a "special status". They may not be saved
Now Pony if you do not make "judgments " like that regularly how do you select to whom to present the gospel?
When did not smiling become a sin?
Trust me the feeling behind it were a sin
I might point out that you agreed with that post very early on ,you and several others needed no convincing from me.. ..and because of that post there are many Protestants that formerly saw Catholics as fellow members of the visible church that are rethinking that position..TRENT LIVES
(BTW note no Protestant went whining to JR about the slander )
I had many RC's on FR that I considered friends ..even if we had doctrinal differences, and sometimes argued them. I always allowed that there are saved people in the RC church ... This has been a wake up to all the feel good BS of "separated brothers". it seems your real brothers are the Hindi and the Muslims..At least you do not curse them
That is not enough. Good works must be done in faith to be meritorious. Catholics would hold that an ignorant bushman needs to have faith in one God, a redeemer, and a future state of rewards and punishments, along with an explicit desire to do whatever God requires of him. In other words, he must have faith in at least some rudimentary revealed truths, be they from his natural religion descending from the revelation to Adam and Noah, or a special revelation. I think we might grant that he need not know the name of Christ, but he does not some conception of a redemption from sin by a redeemer, as Job had (Job 19.25-27), in other words, an implicit knowledge of Christ. He also must have perfect contrition for all his sins and a perfect love of God - merely the fear of punishment or the hope of eternal bliss is not enough. All of which must come from grace, without the ordinary means of grace available to him. The next to impossible difficulty of this is why the Church is missionary. Salvation has always been availale to all who are worthy of it, but God desires everyone's salvation in the truths of the Church and her faith in Christ, which is why He has marvelously propogated it unto the ends of the earth.
It's in those Catholic genes you know. But I did not need a "church father" . to say that . If you study the word and think about the awesome sovereignty of God. It is a question that you must consider..either God is Gd or He is not..
Thanks for the post
We have never claimed he was perfect ..he did teach Purgatory you know..
CG can something create itself? Can there be anything over which God does not have control? Simple questions that do not beg for a two page copy and paste
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