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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Capt. Chuck Yeager - 357th Ftr. Grp. - Aug. 27th, 2003
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Posted on 08/27/2003 12:00:44 AM PDT by SAMWolf



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Capt. Chuck Yeager - 357th Ftr. Grp.
World War 2 Ace,
shot down 11 German planes,
including 2 Me-262 jets


Chuck Yeager's accomplishments as an ace in WWII have been overshadowed by his achievements as a test pilot, but his fighter pilot experiences were remarkable on their own. An eighteen-year old West Virgina country boy, he joined the U.S. Army Air Force in 1941 and shot down eleven (and a half!) German planes, including two Me-262 jets.



He was also shot down over France, evaded, joined the Maquis, and made his way back to England via Spain. Somehow he persuaded the brass to let him continue flying fighter missions in Europe, contrary to policy. All of this by the age of twenty-two.

Born in 1923, son of Albert Hal Yeager (a staunch Republican, so firm in his party loyalties that he once refused to shake President Harry Truman's hand), Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager grew up in Myra, on the Mud River in West Virgina. His dirt-poor youth was filled with hillbilly themes that sound romantic today, but probably weren't much fun at the time: making moonshine, eating cornmeal mush three times a day, shooting squirels for dinner, chasing rats out of the kitchen, going barefoot all summer, butchering hogs, and stealing watermelons. At an early age Chuck could do well at anything requiring manual dexterity or math: ping-pong, shooting, auto mechanics.


Flight Officer Yeager’s P-39 over the Tonapah Bombing and Gunnery Range in April 1943


He enlisted in the Army Air Corps when he graduated from Hamlin High School in 1941, and became an airplane mechanic. He hated flying, after throwing up his first time in the air. But when the chance came to become a "Flying Sergeant," with three stripes and no K.P., he applied, and was accepted. His good cordination, mechanical abilities, and excellent memory enabled him to impress his instructors in flight training.

357th Fighter Group




Assigned to the 363rd Fighter Squadron, of the 357th Fighter Group, he moved up to P-39s with the squadron at Tonopah, Nevada. Unlike many other pilots, he always liked the P-39 (which probably would have been a decent airplane if it had had a turbocharger). Here at Tonopah, he first developed the fighter pilot's detached attitude toward death, even getting angry at those he thought had died needlessly or through lack of skill. During the ruthless weeding-out process at Tonopah, the pilots worked as hard at playing as they did at flying. They frequented the bars and cathouses of Tonopah and nearby Mina, until the sheriff ran them out of the latter establishment. He and his lifelong friend, Bud Anderson, both made it through the process.


A trio of 363rd aces: Maj. C.E. "Bud" Anderson (16.25 victories) and Captains Don Bochkay (13.75 victories) and Chuck Yeager (12.5 victories) at Leiston, England, January 1945.


When the squadron went to California to train for escort missions, Yeager drew temporary duty at Wright Field, Ohio, testing new props for the P-39 and also getting a chance to fly the big new P-47s. He took the opportunity to buzz his hometown, less than an hour's flying time away. As Hamlin's only fighter pilot, they knew who it was. He rejoined the squadron out in California, where he met his future wife Glennis, "pretty as a movie star and making more money than I was."


Capt. Chuck Yeager in the cockpit of his P-51D Mustang, late 1944


Next the squadron moved to Casper, Wyoming for more training. It was also great hunting; one time Chuck went up in his P-39 and carefully herded a dozen antelope toward a pre-arranged spot, where his armed ground confederates had a field day. They ate antelope roasts for a month. But he almost "bought the farm" in Wyoming. On October, 23, 1943, during a high speed exercise, his P-39's engine blew up, the plane burst into flames, and Yeager had to bail out. He survived, but was hospitalized with a fractured spine.


P-51 Mustangs of the 363rd Fighter Squadron., 357th FG, piloted by Bud Anderson, Bill Overstreet and Chuck Yeager, in combat with Me109s of JG-3 over Germany.


The 357th FG shipped out for Europe in winter of 1943-44, and began operations in February, 1944, the first P-51 equipped unit in the Eighth Air Force. Yeager shot down his first Messerschmitt on his seventh mission (one of the early Mustang missions over Berlin), and the next day, March 5, three FW-190s caught him and shot him down. He bailed out over occupied France, being careful to delay pulling his ripcord until he had fallen far enough to avoid getting strafed by the German fighters.



He had landed about 50 miles east of Bordeaux, injured and bleeding, but armed with a forty-five caliber pistol and determined to make his way over the Pyrenees to Spain. He hid in the woods the first night, ate a stale chocolate bar from his survival kit and huddled under this parachute. The next morning he encountered a French woodcutter.

With the Resistance


They couldn't communicate very well, but the woodcutter whispered "Boche" and gestured for Yeger to stay put. Uncertain as to the Frenchman's loyalties, but having no better choices, Yeager stayed, but trained his gun on the path when a he heard a couple people returning that night. "American, a friend is here come out."



His new friends led him to a barn where he hid, while the Germans searched for him. An English-speaking woman questioned him, and satisfied that he was not a German 'plant', the local resistance people help him, starting with a local doctor who removed the shrapnel from his leg. They took him to the nearest maquis group, to hide out with them, until the snow had melted enough to permit passage over the Pyrenees. The Maquis group, about 25 men, constantly kept on the move, always being hunted by German Fieseler Storch observation planes. Yeager was an outsider with the Maquis, and sometimes relations were strained, but they accepted him when he was able to help fuse plastic explosives.

After exciting and freezing adventures, he made it over the mountains into Spain. On March 30, 1944, he sat in the American consul's office. After he languished in a Spanish hotel for six weeks, the U.S. government negotiated a deal with the Franco government - a straight swap of six evadees for an amount of Texaco gasoline. The other 357th pilots were shocked when Yeager appeared; he was the first downed pilot to have returned.


Yeager, shortly after he returned to combat in August 1944, climbing into the cockpit of his second Mustang, a P-51C he named "Glamorous Glenn II."


Well-considered rules forbade the return of evaded pilots to combat; if they were shot down a second time, they would be liable to reveal information about the Resistance network to the German interrogators. But Chuck Yeager would have none of it; he was determined to return to combat. The evadee rule was strict,but Yeager and a bomber pilot named Fred Glover appealed all the way to General Eisenhower, who promised to "do what he could." While the decision was pending, the Group let Yeager fly training missions. Once they were called to cover a downed pilot in the Channel, a Ju-88 appeared and Yeager couldn't restrain himself from going after it, shooting it down at the German coast. He gave the gun camera footage and the credit to another pilot, but still caught Hell.

Return to Combat


Ike decided to allow Yeager to return to combat in the summer of 1944, which he did with a vengence, now flying a P-51D nicknamed Glamorous Glen, gaudily decorated in the red-and-yellow trim of the 357th. At first, the pickings were slim, as the German fliers seemed to be laying low. He flew in a four plane division with Bud Anderson and Don Bochkay, two other double aces. On September 18, he flew in support of the Market Garden glider drops over Arnhem, but couldn't do much to stop the appalling slaughter of the C-47s. By this time, he had been promoted to Lieutenant, a commissioned officer.

Yeager became an 'ace-in-a-day' on October 12, leading a bomber escort over Bremen. As he closed in on one Bf-109, the pilot broke left and collided with his wingman; both bailed out, giving Yeager credit for two victories without firing a shot. In a sharp dogfight, Yeager's vision, flying skills, and gunnery gave him three more quick kills.


Chuck Yeager makes a low pass over his first Me262 jet fighter 'kill'


The German Me-262 jets appeared in combat in late 1944, but went right after the bombers, avoiding dogfights with the Mustangs. Whenever they wanted, they could just open it up, and pull away from the P-51s with a 150 MPH speed advantage. One day Yeager caught one on its approach to an airstrip. Flying through dense flak, he downed the jet, and earned a DFC for the feat.


The Last Mission depicts Chuck Yeager's and Bud Anderson's last mission of World War II, in which they soared through the Alps and did a little sight seeing before turning their P-51 Mustangs toward home.


He flew his last "combat" mission in January, 14 1945. He and Bud Anderson cooked up a scheme to sign on for the day's missions as "spares," and then do some uninhibited flying. Anderson describes this, and other events in his life-long friendship with Yeager, in his autobiography, To Fly and Fight:

We hit the Dutch coast, took a right and flew south, 500 across France into Switzerland. Chuck was the guide. And I was the tourist. We dropped our tanks on Mount Blanc and strafed them, trying to set them afire (it seemed like a good idea at the time), then found Lake Annecy, and the lakeshore hotel where Yeager and DePaolo had met. We buzzed the hotel, fast enough and low enough to tug at the shingles, and then we zoomed over the water, right on the deck, our props throwing up mist.

Yeager and his ground crew in front of his P-51D, "Glamorous Glen III."


We'd just shot up a mountain in a neutral country, buzzed half of Europe, and probably could have been court-martialed on any one of a half-dozen charges. It didn't matter. We were aglow. It was over, we had survived, we were finished, and now we would go home together.

When we landed at Leiston, my crew chief jumped on my wing, "Group got more than 50 today. Must've been something. How many did you get?"

"None," I confessed in a small, strangled voice. I felt sick.


Yeager and his "Glamorous Glennis" were married on 26 February 1945


Chuck and Glennis were married in February, and he reported to Wright Field in July, the start of his even more extraordinary career as a test pilot. He impressed his instructors so much, that despite his non-com background and his West Virginia accent, he was assigned to the XS-1 project at Muroc Field in California.



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To: Darksheare
I found Dr. Phibes to be funny, irreverent and satirical.

Good creepy flics.
101 posted on 08/27/2003 12:02:51 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks for the post on the Bob Hope messhall, Sam. He sure did a lot for our troops and our country.

You really taught me something with that P-39 post. I've never seen that goofy little plane before. And I don't think I've ever seen a gun mounted in the propeller rotor before either.

102 posted on 08/27/2003 12:18:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: Northern Yankee
Saw both Yeager and Anderson fly in mustangs last year. It was quite a thrill, and one I'll not forget.

Gen. Yeager flew at the last airshow at Ft. Huachuca a few years ago. To this day, that was the most impressed I've ever been...and I've been to a lot of airshows.

103 posted on 08/27/2003 12:52:36 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, at the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: colorado tanker; Johnny Gage
You're welcome, colorado tanker.

Johnny Gage does a good job profiling different planes for the Foxhole. The P39 wasn't real polular with the US Army but the Soviets seemed to love it.

I always found the mid-mounted engine a strange feature for a prop job.
104 posted on 08/27/2003 12:58:32 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: SAMWolf
I'm not a pilot but the plane I love is the P-51 that Yeager flew during WWII, especially after the engine was upgraded.
105 posted on 08/27/2003 1:22:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: colorado tanker
I'm an ex ground pounder too.

But I like the P-51, although I have to admit it's a toss up between the P-51 and the German's FW-190 as to which on is my favorite.


106 posted on 08/27/2003 1:28:22 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: Darksheare
LOL. I can see everything so be careful. :)
107 posted on 08/27/2003 1:48:38 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf
I can't be objective when it comes to Nazis, so I'll take the P-51 over the FW. I have to admit, though that the FW was a great airplane.
108 posted on 08/27/2003 1:49:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: w_over_w
A testament to your intellect.

LOL. Don't get carried away now.

109 posted on 08/27/2003 1:52:38 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Darksheare
I'm near sighted and I NEED the telescope

Excuses, excuses. LOL.

110 posted on 08/27/2003 1:53:24 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Northern Yankee
The movie "The Right Stuff" took a little licence with the events...

Thanks for the information Northern Yankee, I'm glad I read the book rather than see the movie.

I find most often it's best to read first then see the movies, although more often than not I never get around to watching movies.

111 posted on 08/27/2003 1:55:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks for the pictures SAM. I recall pictures earlier in the week from inside the dining facility before they had the plaque. Good to see this honoring of Bob Hope.
112 posted on 08/27/2003 1:58:27 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Hi Sam and Snippy

The Bell P-39 and Curtis P-40 were primary combatants for allied forces in Pacific theatre.

Some historical assay marks both aircraft as poor performers..P-40 gets a good side note for opps during the AVG [Flying Tiger period].

So the kill stats for Japanese are heavy with P-39 and P-40 downings...yet both aircraft were reasonable performers...with some pilots having good combat histories in them.

As the AVG learned..its how you enter on attack angle with the P-40..and then detach to work another attack.

The P-39 and P-40 both suffered on outlying bases for good part supply..maintenence crews did their best...but both planes suffered ..as they went on long legged opps..and were not operating at best performance levels.

They often got jumped in flight profile..the Japanese having the advantage of first attack angle.

The high loss figures for both P-39 and P-40 occured in the first moments of contact.

The Japanese were very sharp on attack angle..with a second tri or 3 grouping in their Kokoti Format..breaking in from behind or above attack angle on the now turning P-39 and P-40 in evasion jinking..or persuit.

Better aircraft for the allies appeared later...so to better maintenece conditioning of planes ..1943 things began to turn in the south Pacific.

To some degree the better Japanese Kokoti groups saw attrition remove their best..yet to..the P-39 and P-40 's were flown differently in engagement.

Both planes were rugged ..and could sustain alot of punishment..and dish it out.

The P-40 was very much like the British Spitfire and Hurricane...in that these aircraft has a window margin..or time moment..when gun distance was optimal.

The P-40 like the British planes..could put a shredding moment on a japanese plane..litterly a 4-5 second burst..and it was over.

P-39 and P-40 had their "Ripping time" moments on the Japanese..who did respect these aircraft for this reality.

Knowing their kites were not topshelf due to performance..the allied crews still went up..and were about busines in the Pacific.

P-39 and P-40 held the line*..much like their British counterparts in Europe.

113 posted on 08/27/2003 1:59:47 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: colorado tanker
I can understand that,my dad feels the same way, but it doesn't detract from the plane itself.
114 posted on 08/27/2003 2:18:35 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: SAMWolf
Finally able to read your thread today.

Good job! Thanks.
115 posted on 08/27/2003 2:20:30 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Light Speed
Hey Light Speed. Good to see ya.

Good analysisi of the P-39 and P-40. Relatively outdated in the early 40's but they were available and pretty much all we had. We made do with what we had.
116 posted on 08/27/2003 2:22:24 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: snippy_about_it
One more thing. I enjoyed the 109 pics. :)
117 posted on 08/27/2003 2:22:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks Snippy.
118 posted on 08/27/2003 2:23:25 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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To: Light Speed
Hey there Light Speed. Haven't seen you for awhile, thanks for stopping in and giving us the additional info on the P-39 and P-40.
119 posted on 08/27/2003 2:24:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: snippy_about_it

Some one mention the 109?

120 posted on 08/27/2003 2:26:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." -Paul Rodriguez)
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