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Posted on 12/30/2003 7:28:49 AM PST by nolongerforsale

Many books and articles have been written by psychologists estimating the IQs of people like Isaac Newton and Louis XIV. These estimates may not be very exact, but a surprising amount can be learned by studying the biography of a person and noting their intellectual development.

Isaac Newton, Leibnitz, and Goethe have all been estimated to have had very high IQs, ranging from 160 to 200. Napoleon and Hitler have been estimated around 130-140. King Frederick the Great and Czar Peter the Great around 150. The kings of Europe as a group would be one of the most intelligent groups of people who ever lived, with about a sixth of them being geniuses.

Plato, in his book THE REPUBLIC, described an ideal society ruled by philospher-kings. The American Republic has been run by men of shockingly low ability. Few of them would even be included among the most intelligent 5% of the population. In terms of integrity and character, American politicians would rate little better than the inmates of prisons.

I came across an interesting study which estimated the IQs of American presidents. It comes from ADVANCES IN PSYCHOLOGY RESEARCH, VOLUME 14, edited by Serge P. Shohov. New York, Nova Science Publishers, Inc., 2002. Chapter 6, "Intelligence and Presidential Greatness: Equation Replication Using Updated IQ Estimates" by Dean Keith Simonton. pages 143-153.

The article claims that the best presidents were usually those with the highest IQs. I would question this is in the case of Abraham Lincoln. He started the bloodiest war in American history. Of all the Western countries which had slavery, all of them except the United States and Haiti were able to abolish it peacefully. This might be a better country today if Lincoln had never been elected. Eisenhower isn't rated as very intelligent, but the country prospered under his rule.

Recently, a man sued in Connecticut for being denied a job as a police officer BECAUSE HIS IQ WAS TOO HIGH at 125.

Only in America can a man be denied a job as a policeman for being too intelligent, while stupidity is no bar to being president.

How can these estimates be so detailed as to include tenths of an IQ point? These are averages from a panel of experts based on many criteria.

Washington............................124.7

J. Adams...............................127.8

Jefferson..............................152.9

Madison................................127.8

Monroe.................................107.6

J.Q. Adams.............................133.8

Jackson................................115.7

Van Buren..............................118.7

W. Harrison............................120.7

Tyler..................................123.7

Polk...................................115.7

Taylor.................................109.6

Fillmore...............................114.7

Pierce.................................118.7

Buchanan...............................113.7

Lincoln................................129.8

A. Johnson.............................109.6

Grant..................................107.6

Hayes..................................120.7

Garfield...............................130.8

Arthur.................................130.8

Cleveland..............................116.7

B. Harrison............................114.7

McKinley...............................115.7

T. Roosevelt...........................130.8

Taft...................................121.7

Wilson.................................134.8

Harding................................101.6

Coolidge...............................106.6

Hoover.................................126.7

F. Roosevelt...........................130.8

Truman.................................123.7

Eisenhower.............................114.7

Kennedy................................139.8

L. Johnson.............................119.7

Nixon..................................125.7

Ford...................................115.7

Carter.................................121.7

Reagan.................................125.7

Bush Sr................................117.4

Clinton................................135.0

Bush Jr................................117.1

The problems of the world today are much too complex to be handled by such mediocrities. It has even been suggested that presidential candidates should be given IQ tests. It wouldn't be unreasonable to require candidates to at least be in the upper 1% of the population. That would be almost 3 million people, of whom over a million would be of the proper age, health, and so on.

One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.

In my opinion, Thomas Jefferson was the best president of all, as well as the most intelligent. But he was a slaveowner who really didn't know much about politics or history. His ideas on how to run a country were mostly wrong.

He was talented at things like architecture and horticulture, though. He was accomplished in many areas.

Al Gore and William Frist would seem to be two politicians of good character and high intelligence. But even they aren't nearly good enough. And they are the best we have.

Today, the world faces overwhelming problems which could destroy civilization and bring on unimaginable catastrophes. The world today is being run by a chaotic system of bad governments and poor systems run by mediocre people with poor characters. To make things even worse, presidents spend almost all their time raising money, attending ceremonial occasions, and wasting time. Very little time is spent learning about the problems of the world and thinking about solutions.

The "smartest man in America" was on television. His IQ is estimated at over 200. He is a part-time bouncer in a bar. His opinions on politics and history were ignorant and ridiculous.

We need a leader with a very high IQ along with other excellent qualities. No one like that is famous anywhere in the world today or holds any public office. This must change.


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1 posted on 12/30/2003 7:28:50 AM PST by nolongerforsale
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To: nolongerforsale
One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.

WTF?

2 posted on 12/30/2003 7:31:27 AM PST by danneskjold
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To: nolongerforsale
ZOT!
3 posted on 12/30/2003 7:31:36 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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Crap! FDR did not have an IQ as high as 130, and Kennedy was nowhere near 140. What nonsense!
4 posted on 12/30/2003 7:31:50 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: nolongerforsale
even his enemies agree he was a very good president.
 
 
See ya back at DU, Clymer!

Owl_Eagle

"Guns Before Butter."

5 posted on 12/30/2003 7:32:34 AM PST by End Times Sentinel ("Fire can be our servant, whether it's toasting S'mores or raining down on Charlie" –Ppl Skinner)
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Troll!!
6 posted on 12/30/2003 7:32:34 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: nolongerforsale
How can these estimates be so detailed as to include tenths of an IQ point?

Because they are totally phone junk science. DUH

7 posted on 12/30/2003 7:32:37 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: nolongerforsale
Interesting post...Do you know how they managed to measure the IQ of late Presidents ?
8 posted on 12/30/2003 7:32:58 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum perficio)
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To: nolongerforsale
If you're short of tin, aluminum foil will suffice.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong [because he was a slave holder]?
9 posted on 12/30/2003 7:33:11 AM PST by Smoke6
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To: danneskjold
That caught my eye also. who are the idiots?
10 posted on 12/30/2003 7:33:18 AM PST by mathluv
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To: Puppage
These are averages from a panel of experts based on many criteria.

WHAT experts? WHAT criteria?

11 posted on 12/30/2003 7:33:31 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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12 posted on 12/30/2003 7:33:38 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Death before dhimmi.)
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To: nolongerforsale
How can these estimates be so detailed as to include tenths of an IQ point?

Because the great scientists who published these numbers have never heard of significant digits? I'll grant that they probably have the first digit right.

13 posted on 12/30/2003 7:34:27 AM PST by js1138
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Forget this; it's a bogus mass email that's been circulating for well over a year. No truth to any of it. I first saw it in early 2002.
14 posted on 12/30/2003 7:34:36 AM PST by TheBigB (...international law is whatever the United States and Great Britain say it is. - Ann Coulter)
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To: nolongerforsale
You amuse me. Go away now.
15 posted on 12/30/2003 7:34:37 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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This is utter BS. Perhaps Monarchs are more "intelligent" because they are goomed for their position from birth? Of course, no one actually saw IQ test results for these people. And since my father apparently scored (2 hundred something)on an IQ test and is a porter, I'm not sure that an IQ test is relevant to performance.
16 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:01 AM PST by NotQuiteCricket (I hate posting when I don't know if the thread is going to be pulled *sigh*)
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Thomas Jefferson didn't know much about history? Name me another American at the time who knew more.
Bill Clinton's enemies think he was a good president? Surely you jest. He is viewed as a criminal.
17 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:25 AM PST by spyone
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To: nolongerforsale
One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.

WTF!!! You have to be kidding me. Sure he was a great politician if you consider the ruin of the Democrat Party and all. I am his enemy and I say he was a $h!^^y president. And 135 is not all that impressive. I could score that with a severe hangover.
18 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:37 AM PST by CollegeRepublican
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To: nolongerforsale
........one of the dumbest articles I've ever read. Don't ever let someone gauge your IQ....you don't want to know what the rest of us do.
19 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:49 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: nolongerforsale
One President with a high IQ who achieved his potential was Bill Clinton. Clinton had one of the highest IQs and was a Rhodes scholar, and even his enemies agree he was a very good president.
The author is living in an alternate universe. About the only thing the Rapist's champions and critics alike agree on is that he didn't come near his potential.
20 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:50 AM PST by eastsider
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