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Siberian Graveyard's Secret (More Redheads)
International Herald Tribune ^ | 1-8-2003

Posted on 01/08/2004 9:41:32 AM PST by blam

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To: ChicagoHebrew
"Genetically, Kurds are the closest people to Jews in the world."

Isn't the area of the present day Kurds the area where the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes...I think Mosul is the same as Nineveh(sp). Your ideas?

41 posted on 01/08/2004 10:29:37 PM PST by blam
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
"The Vikings were EVERYWHERE."

Nah, who-ever were the red-headed folks, they infiltrated the Vikings too.

42 posted on 01/08/2004 10:31:01 PM PST by blam
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Origin Of The Kurds

"Modern-day Kurds themselves trace their origin to the Medes, an Indo-European tribe that descented from Central Asia into the Iranian plateau around 614 B.C. as one of the principal pre-isramic iranian dynasties."

Wasn't it around 614BC that the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes captive and moved them into this area?

43 posted on 01/08/2004 10:47:24 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Isn't the area of the present day Kurds the area where the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes...I think Mosul is the same as Nineveh(sp). Your ideas?

It's the same general area. I haven't heard that Ninevah is Mosul, but I wouldn't be suprised.

The genetic connections between Kurds and Jews are strong-- but Kurdish bares no relation to Hebrew or Aramaic, and you don't find many cultural markers linking the two groups. So I personally think it's more likely that the genetic connection arises because Kurds originate from the same area as Abraham-- i.e. Abraham was likely a proto-Kurd before he became the first Hebrew.

Still, given the genetics, it's far more likely that the Kurds would be descended from the "lost" tribes than the Celts or any Europeans.

44 posted on 01/08/2004 10:49:46 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Wasn't it around 614BC that the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes captive and moved them into this area?

Yeah, about that time exactly.

45 posted on 01/08/2004 10:50:42 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: blam
Oh... might as well add that my parental grandfather (origin Southern Russia) and my maternal great-uncle (origin Belarus) both have red hair. I think I and my brother wound up with recessive genes-- we've got brown hair (mine's darker than his) but grow reddish beards.
46 posted on 01/08/2004 10:57:17 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Are Kurds Descended from the Medes?
47 posted on 01/08/2004 11:06:26 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Blam! you scoundrel!
Why wasn't I pinged?
48 posted on 01/08/2004 11:07:52 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"Oh... might as well add that my parental grandfather (origin Southern Russia) and my maternal great-uncle (origin Belarus) both have red hair."

So, where did you get your red-headed genes?

Maybe from some of the folks in the article below?

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

(They were all over Russia and Belarus in ancient times)Ref: Victor Mair, The Tarim Mummies.

49 posted on 01/08/2004 11:12:29 PM PST by blam
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To: ValerieUSA; farmfriend
"Blam! you scoundrel!"

"Why wasn't I pinged?"

LOL! Hey, we have delegated responsibilities around here. FReeper 'farmfriend' is in charge of the ping list. Please ask her to put you on the GGG ping list.

50 posted on 01/08/2004 11:16:05 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; ValerieUSA
"Why wasn't I pinged?"

Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, or I get you on the wrong list, just let me know.

51 posted on 01/08/2004 11:21:17 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
I don't need to be on the whole GGG ping list (but sunken_civ does) - I just need to be on the redhead ping list. *L*

52 posted on 01/08/2004 11:22:27 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: farmfriend
Thank You. :)
53 posted on 01/08/2004 11:23:00 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Actually, I'm not sure I'd seen these links before. Fascinating...

I've not read or reviewed it, and wonder if anyone here has read Elizabeth Wayland Barber's The Mummies of Urumchi
54 posted on 01/08/2004 11:24:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Pinging? Is that what you kids are calling it now?)
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To: ValerieUSA
"I don't need to be on the whole GGG ping list (but sunken_civ does) - I just need to be on the redhead ping list. *L*"

I don't think we have a red-headed ping list. Good-night.

55 posted on 01/08/2004 11:25:46 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
uh-oh
I called you sunken_civ, but you are SunkenCiv.
My bad.
56 posted on 01/08/2004 11:29:45 PM PST by ValerieUSA (I'm so sorry)
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To: blam
The full extent of Celtic civilization is only begging to be understood.
57 posted on 01/08/2004 11:31:47 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: SunkenCiv
"I've not read or reviewed it, and wonder if anyone here has read Elizabeth Wayland Barber's The Mummies of Urumchi"

Yup. I am presently completing it for the third time. Then, it's on to Victor Mair's, The Tarim Mummies, for the second time. The Tarim Mummies is the best. Victor invited Elizabeth Barber to become involved with his effort with these Caucasian mummies found in the Tarim Basin. Elizabeth is a textile specialist. The link in post #49 is about this subject. The Mummies of Urumchi is a good book too. (Victor Mair gives the whole story though)

58 posted on 01/08/2004 11:32:41 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Adiabene, Jewish Kingdom of Mesopotamia
by Jonah Gabriel Lissner
...two millennia ago this land sheltered the proud Jewish kingdom of Adiabene, with its capital at Arbela, nominally part of the Assyrian province of the Parthian Empire... Helena, Queen of Adiabene, ruled of an empire influenced by the sciences of the Hellenes and the arts of the Persians, in the old foothills of the northern Tigris, on the south shores of the Caspian Sea, ruled a land increasingly swayed by the policies of the Roman Empire of the east, even as memory of the old Alexandran customs had begun to evaporate from the hearts and minds of the residents. To her east lay the treacherous Parthians, to the north the unpredictable Saksa, Dane and affiliated horse-nomads.
Beyond the Mountains of Darkness

Historical Dictionary: Gozan

59 posted on 01/08/2004 11:38:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Median empire? What's next, the rest stop empire? [rimshot!])
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To: blam
I think I got them from the ancient Judeans, who always had them around.
60 posted on 01/09/2004 11:10:05 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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