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>the other chronometers rely on assumptions about past events that can't be refuted [and it follows, cannot be PROVED!] in a lab under any circumstances

and at that point the discussion has moved out of the realm of Science (big S because I invoke the technical and classical definition of the word!) and into that of Philosophy (at least) or even Religion. Actually, such beliefs are in the realm of science, but only in the Hypothesis stage of the process. But as you say, it will be hard to move into the experiment/observe step, won't it? So, people pick their Religion -- an assertion I think you would agree with! Since such things can't be proved, why not just give God the glory? Here's the chain: you believe in Jesus, I know. All we really know about Him is in "The Bible". He clearly thoroughly believed the Old Testament scriptures (and as God, He was there when those were written!). Genesis has some poetry, but is not essentially a poetic book. Jesus clearly accepted Genesis as history. If it's good enough for Him, it should be good enough for me. This leaves a huge task relating the relatively small amount of natural history in the Scriptures to what we can observe now. My main point is that if our physical observations are led by and subject to our faith, we will come to different conclusions than if not. There are quite a few very credible scientists in the creation camp.

gobucks: sincere thanks for your thoughtful reply!

Your welcome. But, Deut 6 - 4-7...that's far more important than winning mental tussling matches with those who seek to nail kids. I keep hitting this kids issue, b/c how often do you see professors and hollywood types in front of classrooms of bored seniors at "Gentle Breeze Oak Farm". There's no ground there (well, from their perspective that is).

Arming kids with how God can be known, through witnessing, scripture study, and finally, that miracle of miracles, the grace of the Holy Ghost (for pete's sake, try talking about THAT with a secularist....it's worse than trying to describe chocolate to a penguin). Once that FIRST grace moment hits, then the Bible dramatically transforms into a calibration manual instead of a how to manual.

My aim with kids is very consistent....why oh why did Christ QUOTE Deut when the Pharisees tried to trap him with the question "so just what is the greatest commandment?"

Once I get through to them our God has a heart, and our love for Him, through trying at least to obey Cmd #1, can actually impact His heart....oh boy, does that EVER go a long way to stripping the veil secularists overlay on their furrowed brow of compassion and concern.

My aim is to get as many kids as possible to experience Him, and thus see that veil for themselves. Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. I'm for the most part ticking off too many FRs, though not intentionally.