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1 posted on 05/19/2004 12:46:40 PM PDT by Conservomax
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2 posted on 05/19/2004 12:52:20 PM PDT by xrp
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No aliens? I want a DNA test from James Carville! :)

But seriously, thanks for posting. I will read in more detail as soon as I get a chance.


3 posted on 05/19/2004 12:52:27 PM PDT by cvq3842
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Good article. But the "6,000-year-old Earth" crowd should be here any minute to render their objections.

Berserkers: The Galaxy is filled with killer robots looking for signals. ET is keeping low. Problem: where are the berserkers coming after us?

That's the Borg - they aren't here yet.

4 posted on 05/19/2004 12:56:16 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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In the article, the author postulates that if aliens exist we should be overrun by probes by now. The rebuttal to that is that either they have different methods of probing than we have come up with (hey, they're aliens, they think differently), or, like ours would be, theirs are small enough that we have never noticed one (it might not have come close enough to us to be recognized).


Just thought I'd throw that in. I tend to think it is a combination of distance and incomprehensibility that has kept us from detecting/recognizing our neighbors.


6 posted on 05/19/2004 12:59:06 PM PDT by Little Pig
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We should build a Dyson Sphere. It might take 100,000 years, and it might take more engineering knowhow than we currently would consider possible to attain, but I think we could eventually do it. We're humans - solving impossible problems is what we do best. Bickering over little problems is what we do when we're not solving impossible ones.


7 posted on 05/19/2004 1:00:29 PM PDT by NJ_gent
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No extraterrestrial life?
What about Al Gore?
What about Kerry?
8 posted on 05/19/2004 1:00:34 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (Time wounds all heels.)
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Read it before and I think that it's combinations of

Planets With the Right Conditions are Rare
Planetary systems are rare
Habitable zones, proper distance from star for liquid water, are narrow
Galaxy is a dangerous place (gamma-ray bursters, asteroid impacts, etc)
Earth/Moon system is unique (large tides needed for molecular evolution)
Life Is Rare
Life's Genesis is rare
Intelligence/Tool-Making is rare
Language is unique to humans
Technology/Science is not inevitable

AND a third thing, we are still assuming that life is like terrestrial life.
If a being has no eyes, doesn't see the stars, can't imagine another world beyond the limits of his own, why would he try to go beyond it?
And that's an EASY example.


9 posted on 05/19/2004 1:01:25 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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"The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it hasn't tried to contact us." -- Calvin

Sometimes the best wisdom comes from a comic strip.


11 posted on 05/19/2004 1:05:06 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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The Ape-Brainiacs over looked one other possibility. That being the possibility that we are the Bracewell-Von Neuman Probes.

At any rate, perhaps the rest of the universe is still trying to determine if there is actually intelligent life on this planet. One could have difficulty determining that if they were assessing the ape logic found in the major media outlets.

12 posted on 05/19/2004 1:06:50 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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Very good diagrams.


13 posted on 05/19/2004 1:07:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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A church in Mobile used to have a billboard that I would see each day on the way to work. They would post a topic or a question about the forthcoming Sunday's sermon on it each week.

One week the question was "Is there intelligent life on earth?"

On the Friday of that week as I passed it I noticed that someone had scrawled an answer right below the question: "Yes but we're only visiting"

That was my nearest contact with extra-terrestrials

14 posted on 05/19/2004 1:08:02 PM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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"then how come none has visited earth?"

Because of the distances and energies involved. The Fermi Paradox is pure codswallop IMHO.

17 posted on 05/19/2004 1:13:18 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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read later


20 posted on 05/19/2004 1:15:54 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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22 posted on 05/19/2004 1:17:22 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Welcome home Thomas Hamill !!!)
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My 2 cents. We'll never leave the solar system without knowledge / use of time travel.

Strapping ourselves to an oversized party favor (rocket)won't get us too far.

We'd be better served trying to learn how to travel between different dimensions.


25 posted on 05/19/2004 1:19:50 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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Here is the source, a Prof a U of Oregon.

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/
26 posted on 05/19/2004 1:20:45 PM PDT by Conservomax (You eat pieces of $hit for breakfast?)
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Very interesting read. Thanks.

I tend to go along with resolution III "They do not exist". I like to think that, in a sense, Adam and Eve were meant to colonize the universe, but unfortunately for us, they screwed the pooch (to borrow a phrase from "The Right Stuff").

27 posted on 05/19/2004 1:20:48 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.)
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So what Fermi immediately realized was that the aliens have had more than enough time to pepper the Galaxy with their presence. But looking around, he didn't see any clear indication that they're out and about. This prompted Fermi to ask what was (to him) an obvious question: "where is everybody?"

Lack of "money". It's expensive to travel throughout the Galaxy.

28 posted on 05/19/2004 1:20:55 PM PDT by usadave
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Special this week:

Schrodinger's Cat Litter in the large box,

at all locations, simultaneously...

29 posted on 05/19/2004 1:22:11 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (FReep & Bones, Class of '99)
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Bump for later pondering.


33 posted on 05/19/2004 1:26:18 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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