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2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting
Enter Stage Right Website ^ | 06/16/03 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 05/22/2004 7:43:29 PM PDT by Maurice1962

Operation 2008 also assumes that Republicans will not have a great candidate in five years. In fact, the Republican Party is producing an arsenal of powerful campaigners, including conservative candidates who are members of traditionally Democrat minorities. Consider, for example, what a potent candidate Herman Cain would make in 2008, if he is elected to the Senate in 2004 as an attractive, articulate black conservative Republican from Georgia?

The favorite today may well be Jeb Bush. Americans like political families, Floridians like Jeb Bush, and Jeb's wife, who is Mexican, will not just help win Hispanic voters, but more specifically Mexican voters, who will be a potent force in California and other states. If national security remains the principal concern of Americans, continuity in administration would have great appeal (FDR won two extra presidential elections for precisely this reason).

Bush-Cain 2008 How dynamic would a Jeb Bush - Herman Cain ticket be? This dream ticket would garner all the people who love President Bush and it would also pull in black and Hispanic voters who were otherwise ambivalent toward Republican candidates.

The polarizing effect of Hillary in such a race would be entirely negative. Many people would vote for Jeb and many people would vote against Hillary, but those who opposed Jeb and supported Hillary - a small part of the electorate - would not be influenced at all.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
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To: Solson
Pawlenty seems plausible. There really is a dearth of plausible names out there, actually. The governors have in general been badly burned by fiscal problems, that the ranks of seasoned ones who are plausible is thin. The Senate has a long list of relatively mediocre names, or implausible names, for various reasons.
41 posted on 05/22/2004 8:11:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Graybeard58

According to http://dict.org it isn't a word. Me things he my be a reject from du.


42 posted on 05/22/2004 8:13:02 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: dano1
Condi's got my vote whenever she wants it.

Yet another pro abortion republican.

43 posted on 05/22/2004 8:13:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: HitmanNY
Jeb would be a loser - legacies like that freak people out (unless they are democrats, of course, then its hailed as a mighty political tradition).

Yep....in 1963 it looked like JFK, RFK, and then, God help us, Teddy.

Two Bushes is enough....new blood and all that.

44 posted on 05/22/2004 8:13:46 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: zencat

Because it's saturday night and whatifs like this are fun? Not every thing has to be 100% productive ;->inilation


45 posted on 05/22/2004 8:13:54 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: QuokkaPerth

In 2008, we'd have had eight years of GOP control - and all the little things that irritate us will be forefront in our minds.

We might do better to have a Democrat take the White House, so long as we retain control of Congress.

To remind people of just how loathsome they are.


46 posted on 05/22/2004 8:14:56 PM PDT by jdege
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

The favorite today may well be Jeb Bush

No way. Not even close. Whoever is selected had better be as electable as Hillary Clinton or we can kiss this nation goodbye. I favor Rudi Giuliani myself. He has national recognition..favorable recognition and can beat Hillary.

Why do you think Jeb Bush is less electable than Hillary?

Guilliani, although admirable for his work after 9/11 and in cleaning up NYC, could not be nominated as a Republican. The base will not nominate a pro-abortion candidate.

I, as a Christian, could not vote for a pro-abortion candidate, even if Satan were running against him. To vote for a pro-abortion candidate is to support their views, which I cannot.

Politically, this makes no sense, but morally it is sensible. I must not support one evil to defeat another. God is above all and triumphs over the evil of man. We cannot control the actions of others, but can control our own, and we must not do or support evil.

47 posted on 05/22/2004 8:15:55 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (The Passion of the Christ--the top non-fiction movie of all time)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I tell you what---Haley Barbour would be the best communicator the GOP has had at it's help since, well, the Great Communicator himself.

He's well-spoken and would have over a term in office under his belt (just like the current Prez). Plus, his experience as RNC Chair makes him adept at raising cash and gives him built-in good will among party faithful.

You know, Democrats aren't the only ones who can nominate governors from rural Southern states and win.

What a truly interesting idea.


48 posted on 05/22/2004 8:15:58 PM PDT by LincolnLover
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Haley's best quality--can think on his feet and get to the heart of the matter--doesn't give the Dem's an inch in debate and won't be rolled over.

vaudine


50 posted on 05/22/2004 8:18:40 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: B Knotts

Rudy would support the partial birth abortion ban, parental notification, and other issues on the vanguard of the abortion debate in the modern era.

The 'should abortion be legal' front was lost by our side in the early 1970s. Abortion on demand isn't going away in our lifetimes. A guy like Rudy would stay the course and be on the right side of the 2008 issues (even if he is on the wrong side of the 1973 issue).

The pro life movement needs to get a real grip and realize that they dropped the ball and lost the battle in the early 1970s. The other side changed peoples minds about abortion, and what followed is 1,400,000 abortions a year, I think.

See, if they didn't change people's minds, regardless of legality, the number of abortions wouldn't be so high. Plain and simple.

Pro-life activists should concentrate on public activism to change minds about abortion. Only then can serious change on the political landscape. This is a generational goal, but the best strategy we have.

Overturning Roe v Wade would not make abortion illegal nationally, it would just leave it up to the states. Guess what? Peoples minds are different now on the matter than they were in 1943 and even in 1973. After some shakeup, most states would still have legal abortions, and the abortion number would still be around 1.4 million a year, like it is now.

The object of the political game is to get political power, maintain it, and use it to effect positive change, or otherwise protect the status quo. Staying home and not supporting an otherwise fine candidate because he or she is pro choice (but on the right side of what matters most on the current political landscape, including the 2004/2008 abortion issues ) does none of the above.

I am pro life and practical - abortion flatly will not be illegal in the USA in our lifetime, not while too many menopausal senior citizens, UPS-Guy flirting soccer moms, and their slutty teenage and college-age daughters are steadfastly convinced it's their god-given right. They will fight like hell to maintain the status quo, and they will win, given the public opinion today.

Channel the energy in the pro life movement to changing peoples minds on the subject - if everyone in the pro life movement could sucessfully convert one person a year to the cause, our numbers would grow dramatically. Polls showing most americans do not favor abortion are deceptive - the fact is that those for it tend to be much more passionate and dedicated than the people against it, and the people against it are not so much against it as to strongly favor changing the status quo. Take no solace in those polls.

Frankly the indignant 'all or nothing' voters on this issue are hopelessly naive - in abstaining they help an 'Abortions R Us' candidate get votes, yet sleep soundly out of a sense of moral superiority that they didn't vote for the pro-choice person, but helped get a more rabidly pro choice person elected. With thinking like that its amazing they manage to get home every friday with their paychecks intact and not fallen victim to a 3-Card Monte game, or bought some magic beans.

I expect such a self-centered aproach from the holier-than-thou garden variety liberal, but not in our ranks.


51 posted on 05/22/2004 8:20:26 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: vaudine

Haley needs to get some of those numbers up where Mississippi is the 50th state I suspect, to really get traction. If he has a story to tell, he will definitely be in the hunt. He has time to make the story, but Mississippi has been 50th in so many departments for so long, that it won't be easy.


52 posted on 05/22/2004 8:20:47 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Chu Gary
NO...Please not Ricky. Condi I mught go for. Thing is there are damn few >real conservative< pubbies. It's been my opinion for years that conezrvatives have to start at the local level and run as pubbies. It's gonna take a good long time but eventually - 2016 or so - we might actually move the pubbie party back from the brink of socialism and get a good crop of conservative pubbies.

prisoner6

53 posted on 05/22/2004 8:21:55 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: whipoorwhill

And you're supposed to be a teacher? Go back and check your spelling.

LOL!


54 posted on 05/22/2004 8:22:00 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (in time...like tears in the rain...)
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To: Maurice1962
Nobody has said Cheney won't run, have they? He has the health issue to deal with, but I think he can demonstrate he is healthier than Kennedy or Nixon were during their terms. And if you want a guy who can whoop anybody on the block in a rhetorical contest, Cheney's your man. I wouldn't count him out just yet.
55 posted on 05/22/2004 8:23:03 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Going partly violent to the thing since Nov. 25, 2000.)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places
Nobody has said Cheney won't run, have they?

Cheney won't run.
56 posted on 05/22/2004 8:24:08 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Graybeard58

Condoleeza Rice is PRO-abortion? You're sure of that?

If so, bummer!


57 posted on 05/22/2004 8:24:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("Gay Marriage" - a Weapon of Mass. Destruction!)
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To: dano1

I like Dr Rice but the 'Cult of Condi' needs to relax a bit. Outside of standing next to Dubya and carrying his bags, and the fact that she appears to be a conservative black women, I don't get all the fawning over her.

It's premature and based on some kind of mass hypnosis or something.


58 posted on 05/22/2004 8:24:43 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: QuokkaPerth

They loss of congress in '94 wasw a direct result of the rejection of old liberal politics. Immediately after the GOP sweep, Clinton move straight to the center, co-opting a lot of the GOP platform (spending control, Welfare Reform, crime). But the rest of the party has failed since then because they don't really have a platform anymore. Rush Limbaugh constantly brings this point up on his show.


59 posted on 05/22/2004 8:25:41 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: HitmanNY
Rudy is a gun grabbing RINO.

Jeb is a proven leader and nowhere was there ever a greater friend of the 2nd Amendment. Every pro-gun initiative floated by Marion Hammers group The Unified Sportsment of florida has been supported and passed. Every anti-gun proposal has been killed. I know Jeb personally from long before he was governor. He is absolutely more conservative than his brother. Although I disagree with his stance on drilling for oil off the coast of florida, I understand the politics behind his reasoning.

Jeb and Condi Rice would be an unbeatable pair for 2008. Jeb leaves office in 2006 (~sigh~ I'm going to miss e-mailing him). The thing to watch is his fundraising activities within the six months after that event. If he's raising money from the big fish, he's going for the gold.

60 posted on 05/22/2004 8:26:06 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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