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To: dennisw
What Islam needs is a reformation, and if this very concept is forbidden in the unchangeable word of the Quran, there is enough Islamic history to support a reforming and radical interpretation of the law of living with others. There have been movements in Islamic history that are by no means inimical to peace, tolerance, and even to democratic and liberal principles.

Give me one example besides the heavily armed camp of Turkey to maintain a secular government where this is/was the case.

True, passages in the Quran urge believers to "kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them" and to wage war on neighboring infidels. But a hundred suras of the Quran also enjoin the faithful to tolerance: one specifically says that killing one innocent person is akin to the murder of the whole world.

First, define innocent person in the Quran. Does this include "non-believers"? Based on actions to date, I think not.

As for the officials of America and Britain, they need to redirect the effort and money that they have poured into race relations and multiculturalism into a clear, reasoned, energetic defense of the values of freedom and democracy. Their future depends on it.

Agreed, and we need to fight for these ideals not only externally, but internally as well, against the very muslim movement he discusses.

It's not our job nor our charter as a nation to reform a religion, except by attrition at the point of a bayonet if that religion either overtly or covertly (or both) attempts to overthrow our way of life.

7 posted on 06/06/2004 6:42:08 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: TADSLOS
we need to fight for these ideals not only externally, but internally as well, against the very muslim movement

I believe his point is that we should not fight against a racial or religious movement, per se, but rather, we should institute programs that will allow us to "raise up" our children in the democratic way.

14 posted on 06/06/2004 7:51:20 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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