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Christian dinosaur hunters dig for signs of Biblical dragons [Live thread]
The Telegraph [UK] ^ | June 19, 2004 | By Marcus Warren in Keldron, South Dakota

Posted on 06/19/2004 8:11:40 AM PDT by aculeus

Countless dinosaur bones lie buried in the rocks of South Dakota but the Christians excavating one remote cliff-face were digging not just for reptilian vertebrae but for the hand of God.

With screwdrivers, hammers and shaving brushes for tools, the group was seeking and, as far as it was concerned, unearthed proof that the animals perished not millions of years ago but in Noah's Flood circa 2300 BC.

To these believers in the Bible's literal truth, they are not dinosaurs but "missionary lizards", which are powerful weapons in the battle for young American hearts and minds.

Those certain that God made all living things, dinosaurs included, on Day Six of the Creation, are deploying ever more imaginative tactics in their struggle against schools and universities teaching Darwin's theory of evolution.

Boldest of all is a trend for believers, young and old, to dig for fossils and dinosaur remains as witness to God's handiwork.

Lecturing to a rapt audience of 20 like-minded Christians after a hard day in the field, Russ McGlenn, a self-styled amateur archaeologist and palaeontologist and head of Adventure Safaris, said: "Heavenly Father, we thank You for the evidence of a catastrophic flood event. We thank You for the time to study Your creation. Heavenly Father, we thank You for the evidence of a catastrophic flood event."

Mr McGlenn was admittedly preaching to the converted but his success at strengthening their beliefs and faith was undeniable.

"It's just dumb to believe that everything came from one kind of bang or fish or something," said Katy Carlson, 13, one of the youngest on the dig.

Her companions included a 74-year-old Californian woman who spends two weeks digging for dinosaurs every year, the mother of three teenagers who brought them there "as a Christmas present" and a group of Christian children from Wisconsin.

Camping outdoors, riding and simply marvelling at the emptiness of "Big Sky country" are all part of the fun but the main draw is the chance to get down on hands and knees and quarry for dinosaur remains.

South Dakota is one big open-air dinosaur cemetery. "Sue", the world's best preserved tyrannosaurus rex skeleton was discovered in the area and, in some locations, bones are easily spotted, poking through the soil. Just as evident, depending on who is looking, is "proof" that the creatures died in a flood. Evidence is seen in geological strata and the animals' sudden deaths.

The afternoon's work yielded a rich crop of bones, from a group of Edmontosauruses known to be buried in the hillside. The remains join similar exhibits, including a triceratops skull, at a museum opened by the land's owner to spread the word that Darwin was wrong.

"Dinosaur fossils are not proof of evolution but rather extinction," a poster tells visitors to the museum. The war between Darwinian science and Christian fundamentalists has raged for decades but the battleground has lately shifted from courtrooms and lecture halls to small-scale museums, churches and even a Creationist theme park called "Dinosaur Adventure Land".

According to the most recent poll, nearly half of all Americans, 48 per cent, believe in the Book of Genesis's version of our origins. The Creationists fervently hope that number may even be rising.

Evolution is "the dumbest and most dangerous idea in the history of humanity", said Kent Hovind, a vocal enthusiast for the cause who also runs the theme park in Florida. Explaining his Creationist creed, he said: "We think dinosaurs were part of the normal Creation and were just big lizards. Noah took some of them on the Ark, probably babies, when the floods came.

"Throughout history, there are stories of people killing the animals that survived but they called them dragons."

Passions aroused by the debate occasionally spill over into politics, usually into the charged sphere of education, sometimes involving national figures such as the former president Jimmy Carter and President George W Bush.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: christians; creationists; crevolist; dinosaurs
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1 posted on 06/19/2004 8:11:40 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

I have been over the passages, in Job, I think, which refer to these "dragons." If you believe that every thing in the Bible is literal, I can't see any way around believing in some type of "fire breathing dragon." Why not? We have animals that spit acid and throw quills and mammals that "fly"?


2 posted on 06/19/2004 8:16:13 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: aculeus

OoooooooKAY!


3 posted on 06/19/2004 8:16:41 AM PDT by null and void ( 'IF', only the middle letters in 'life.')
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To: aculeus
the animals perished not millions of years ago but in Noah's Flood circa 2300 BC.

True.

Flooding was a lot easier when the Earth was flat.

4 posted on 06/19/2004 8:18:56 AM PDT by TomDoniphon68
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To: aculeus

Well, at least that mystery is solved. IMMENSE AND IMMEASURABLE SARCASM


5 posted on 06/19/2004 8:19:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer (John Kerrey evokes good memories, OF MY FAVORITE MULE!)
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To: aculeus

Baby Giant Lizards on the Ark...for some reason, that image appeals to me.

Mencken should be alive to appreciate this movement.

;^)


6 posted on 06/19/2004 8:20:59 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: aculeus

"According to the most recent poll, nearly half of all Americans, 48 per cent, believe in the Book of Genesis's version of our origins. The Creationists fervently hope that number may even be rising. "


Interesting, unfortunately they haven't read the rest of the Bible to understand what they are told in Genesis.

IIPeter 3 The whole chapter.

v5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of OLD, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

v6 Whereby the world that then WAS, being overflowed with water, perished:

v7 But the heavens and the earth which are NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


There are two different floods written about.


7 posted on 06/19/2004 8:21:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: LS

I seem to remember some sort of acid spitting beetle or such but I am not aware of any animal that throws quills, I grant you that Bats are flying mammals, but breathing fire requires an adaptation not known to have appeared.


8 posted on 06/19/2004 8:22:35 AM PDT by RipSawyer (John Kerrey evokes good memories, OF MY FAVORITE MULE!)
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To: RipSawyer

I was thinking of "flying" (really gliding) squirrels and porcupines "throw" quills. I'm just saying, it's not entirely out of the realm of imagination.


9 posted on 06/19/2004 8:25:17 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: aculeus
No way Dinos and people could c0-habituate the same real-estate, no freaking way.
10 posted on 06/19/2004 8:25:42 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: aculeus
According to the most recent poll, nearly half of all Americans, 48 per cent, believe in the Book of Genesis's version of our origins. The Creationists

I wish they wouldn't mix up Christianity with Creationism.

11 posted on 06/19/2004 8:26:17 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Yes, I do think I'm funny, why do you ask?)
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To: TomDoniphon68

Flooding was a lot easier when the Earth was flat.


?ROFL!!

You would have thought all that water would have washed those bones right over the edge!


12 posted on 06/19/2004 8:26:55 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RipSawyer
I seem to remember some sort of acid spitting beetle

IIRC, that's the bombadier (sp?) beetle.
I think it shoots a nasty concoction that's fairly concentrated acetic acid.
(Vinegar has pretty dilute acetic acid, but more concentrated solutions,
such as glacial acetic acid, are nasty.)
13 posted on 06/19/2004 8:28:23 AM PDT by VOA
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To: LS

"I have been over the passages, in Job, I think, which refer to these "dragons." If you believe that every thing in the Bible is literal, I can't see any way around believing in some type of "fire breathing dragon." Why not? We have animals that spit acid and throw quills and mammals that "fly"?"


I too have been over the passages, in Job, after 30 + chapters of maybe this and maybe that our Heavenly Father steps in and asks Job 38:2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

4. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding.

Now who are the "morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" There is another place where that "phrase "sons of God" is used.


14 posted on 06/19/2004 8:34:55 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: LS

Actually, I think the idea of Porcupines throwing quills has been discredited.


15 posted on 06/19/2004 8:36:23 AM PDT by RipSawyer (John Kerrey evokes good memories, OF MY FAVORITE MULE!)
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To: aculeus; blam

I like the idea that dragons seen by the ancients were fireballs or comets crashing into atmosmosphere.

there have been been a number of freeper threads on periodic catastrophes over the last several milleniums (and likely over all milleniums) that have shifted the course of civilizations.


16 posted on 06/19/2004 8:36:44 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: aculeus

"God made all living things, dinosaurs included, on Day Six "

God DID make all living things on day six. God's "days" are longer than ours.


17 posted on 06/19/2004 8:37:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: JohnnyZ
I wish they wouldn't mix up Christianity with Creationism.

Agreed. It's very easy to reconcile the belief that God created all living things and scientific fact without having to look like a damn fool.

18 posted on 06/19/2004 8:37:39 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: TomDoniphon68
Flooding was a lot easier when the Earth was flat.

Yep. You know the flood took out the unicorns at the same time.

19 posted on 06/19/2004 8:39:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: TomDoniphon68

"Flooding was a lot easier when the Earth was flat."

Before that, when it was bowl-shaped, drainage was REALLY a bitch!


20 posted on 06/19/2004 8:40:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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