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To: ScuzzyTerminator
Hahahahaha! - I love it! <:D
To: ScuzzyTerminator
Dr Duif also considered the possibility that, because the moon's shadow cools the air during an eclipse, this cooler, and thus denser, air might exert a different gravitational pull on the instruments.
Well, air, as all matter, does exert a gravitational pull, though an incredibly tiny one. And yes, cooler air, being denser, will exert slightly more pull.
But that being said, isn't the effect of concern here air resistance instead? The ambient temperature will have a much greater effect on air resistance then the gravitational pull exerted by said air...
3 posted on
08/21/2004 1:43:16 AM PDT by
swilhelm73
(I WILL VOTE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH INSTEAD OF JOHN KERRY because I still believe in the rule of law)
To: Physicist
To: ScuzzyTerminator
5 posted on
08/21/2004 1:45:48 AM PDT by
griffin
To: ScuzzyTerminator
Can't the force of g be somewhat dependent upon the distance from gravitational bodies? Certainly there is a gravitational pull on the earth from the sun (hence our orbit) - why couldn't the moon shield us from that momentarily, even when you consider diffraction of the gravitational force?
Seems as though the results of the current mission to Saturn have shown that gravitational forces can be planar as well.
6 posted on
08/21/2004 1:57:52 AM PDT by
datura
(The Difference Between a Democrat and a Communist Is????)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
"But Dr Duif points out that the anomalous force felt by both Pioneer probes (which are travelling in opposite directions from the sun) is about the same size as that measured by some gravimeters during solar eclipses."Huh? Traveling in opposite directions from the sun? I did not realize the sun traveled. Help me out here (/snicker).
7 posted on
08/21/2004 4:40:57 AM PDT by
NetValue
(They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
This is a very silly post. The Allais effect is only puzzling to someone who fails to view the Earth, the moon, and the sun as a single system.
All objects with mass exhibit gravitational force. The force of gravitational attraction between 2 objects is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between those two objects, so the farther away the objects are from each other, the weaker the attraction is, but it is still there. The Earth, for example, has a gravitational attraction for Pluto, and vice-versa, even though they are billions of miles apart. So, the gravitional force that an observer measures is related to his distance from the center of mass of all those objects that are exhibiting gravitational force on him.
When the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun, the center of mass of that system is slightly farther away from the observer on the surface of the earth, than if the moon is in line between the earth and the sun. When the moon eclipses the sun, it is directly in line between the earth and the sun, so the center of mass (and the center of gravitational attraction) will have its maximum shift sunward along a line stretching between the earth and the sun...and near which the observer of the eclipse will be. (I am ignoring the effects of variations in the moon's orbital radius). The pendulum swings faster because it is closer to the center of gravitational attraction of the system, making gravity ever-so-slightly greater.
8 posted on
08/21/2004 4:56:30 AM PDT by
Renfield
(Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
To: PatrickHenry
9 posted on
08/21/2004 5:05:57 AM PDT by
Junior
(FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
If the change in the rate of the pendulum is due to a change in the force of gravity, I don't see why a scale wouldn't measure the effect far more accurately.
If the change in the rate is due to a distortion of spacetime, I don't see why an atomic clock wouldn't measure the effect far more accurately.
To: ScuzzyTerminator
14 posted on
08/21/2004 6:34:46 AM PDT by
sionnsar
(Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
> So what are the alternatives?
> ... Majorana shielding ...
> Another idea is MOND ...
Suppose gravity is a push, and not a pull?
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To: ScuzzyTerminator
Interesting post. Thanks for putting it up.
MOND means moon in German, by the way.
18 posted on
08/21/2004 7:44:59 AM PDT by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
Majorana shielding. This eponymous theory is that large masses (such as the moon) partially block the gravitational force from more distant objects Thus explaining why the force of gravity increases. ??????
MOND is more interesting.
28 posted on
08/21/2004 11:13:47 AM PDT by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
Here's
something related. Ron Koczor was doing some work several years ago with the Allais pendulum effect, but I've misplaced all my email correspondence with him about it.
38 posted on
08/21/2004 2:33:24 PM PDT by
aruanan
To: ScuzzyTerminator
Here's
another one more directly on the subject from NASA about the work Ron Koczor was doing.
39 posted on
08/21/2004 2:36:21 PM PDT by
aruanan
To: ScuzzyTerminator
"That's not a moon, it's a sattelite!!
40 posted on
08/21/2004 2:37:57 PM PDT by
freedumb2003
(I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
To: ScuzzyTerminator
To: FairOpinion; vannrox; Swordmaker
45 posted on
03/18/2006 9:03:17 PM PST by
SunkenCiv
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To: ScuzzyTerminator
The more they know, the more complicated it gets.
46 posted on
03/18/2006 9:05:56 PM PST by
TASMANIANRED
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From nearly two years ago.
48 posted on
03/18/2006 9:10:01 PM PST by
SunkenCiv
(Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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