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To: Squantos; Eaker

The only other pics of the MP7 I have are in the paper Marine magazine. Makes perfect sense to me for gate guard duty, which is increasingly our "point of contact" with islamonutballs. I go through manned military gates every day, as do you. Here in San Diego, the guards are woefully underarmed with the M-9, with their bad magazines etc. Their backup depends on threatcon, but can be a shotgun or M16. The actual guys at the car checkpoint need better than an M9 in a flapped holster! THat's frigging useless! They need a subgun on a sling, for hands free, yet instant response. Won't happen, but that's what they need.


69 posted on 11/04/2004 10:05:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

These days of a suicide bomber I believe in what I term a sacrifical defense in depth. A local national DOD or LEO troop with a sidearm for self defense only so he can work and search arriving vehicles 200 meters from main entry of the facility.

100 meters from that checkpoint a US troop armed in the same manner does a second visable check then allows the vehicle to pass to a point 50 meters from ECP to a bomb dog check....

All the troops with sidearms at those inital search points are covered by guns in fixed hardened facilities and or mobile light armored vehicles M113's or hardened Hummers in hull down positions armed with Ma Duce and or Mk-19's covering them along with three designated marksmen with Barretts or Ronnies new payload rifle covering his back as he searches the vehicles. After he does and initial physical search then the next station in the checkpoint is a explosive detector dog team covered in the same manner.

A maze of barriers keeping all vehicles from doing over 5 miles per hour will stop those intent on killing and discourage those who want to bring a vehicle onto secure facilities vs leaving their ride in a parking lot 300 meters from the ECP.

Obvious visable security in depth with invisable whuppass crew at each entry point would number say 15 troops per shift/watch with rotation/relief conducted in house every two hours for maximum alertness and minimum boredom per having to ride the wire per se.....

Just my idea, opinion as to how I'd do it.....as at any given point of the process they get one troop vs many. I'd also suggest one privately owned commercial vehicle point of entry to a base billeting troops with 6 or more ECP's for the troops and their vehicles to preclude establishing a pattern route for anti-ambush purposes when they return.

A pre-delivery supply depot that processes supplies and materials yet holds or stores nothing. Example. Yousif delivers a semi load of bottled water. That truck or load doesn't go into a secure base. It's unloaded, inspected and reloaded on to DOD transport for delivery to the secure facility. No commercial bulk or small delivery vehicle should get within a mile of the camps or bases.........free fire zone .

Stay safe !


70 posted on 11/04/2004 10:41:06 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Travis McGee
The only other pics of the MP7 I have are in the paper Marine magazine.

These folks seem to be familiar with the H&K and Beretta PDW replacements for the SMG and pistol, as well as their own national developments.

There's also a H&K PDW equivalent. There's clearly a need for such a tool for helicopter and tank crews; the old WWII M3 greaseguns are pretty much gone after their 60 years of service, and the Israelis long ago gave up on cutdown M16s for such uses as too fragile.


76 posted on 11/04/2004 11:03:43 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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