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To: Georgesque; All
"...so I'm missing your point there."

My point regarding Article 14 of the Constitution is that under section 3 of "Rights of Citizenship" it states...

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

And in so stating, clearly implies that those, like Kerry, who swore an oath to "support the Constitution of the United States" and then by word and deed gave aid to this country's enemies no longer enjoy the full "Rights of Citizenship".

As to the "we're sorry" jerks, I'm sorry but when someone states:

"Some of us — hopefully most of us — are trying to understand and appreciate the effect our recent election will have on you, the citizens of the rest of the world. As our so-called leaders redouble their efforts to screw you over, please remember that some of us — hopefully most of us — are truly, truly sorry. And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't."

They are clearly NOT engaging in a debate of ideas with their fellow citizens. They are explicitly directing these anti-American views to "...the citizens of the rest of the world." And to which world inhabitants are they directing these thoughts? Our allies? Or our enemies?

Ask yourself - what would Australia's responce to this kind of diatribe be? Then ask what would Al Jazeera do with this? Or France?

Yes - under our Constitution an ordinary citizen loses no standing, but are they a "REAL AMERICAN" - not in my book!

And as an American - I am entitled to edit "my book" as I see fit - just as you are.


Stay Strong,
Fuzzy122

118 posted on 11/23/2004 2:41:33 AM PST by fuzzy122 (GBGB [God Bless George Bush] and Our Armed Forces!)
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To: fuzzy122

I know I might be kicked off the forum for posting here, but I'd like to come offering my olive branch, and hopefully establish a dialogue that might be used to further this country's healing. I'm just a guy, just a normal college kid, well, not normal, but not unnormal. I'm a dyed in the wool liberal. I'm sure some of my efforts in the last election resulted in my county in North Carolina going for Kerry and I am one of those many millions who think your president is not doing a good job. I ask all of you, everyone, since when is it not okay to criticize the government? Since when is conservative freedom of speech allowed, but as soon as a liberal voice speaks up, it is shunned, ridiculed and taunted mercilessly? I am an American, I express my right to free speech, I applaud your voicing your opinions, you are doing what you are entitled to. Why criticize those who you disagree with? And why, why call us unamerican? Just becuase we're pissed off at the election? Why should we get over it? I highly doubt any of you would 'get over it' if Kerry had won. We are hurt that our efforts were in vain. I am angry becuase my voice did not make a difference. I am angry becuase we are in a war I do not believe is just, and I will not support the government or the people who are leading it. That means, that as an American, I am using my right of free speech to express my discontent with this country. Everytime I see a sticker on someone's car or SUV that says 'Support our Troops' it sounds like an order. 'I must support our troops becuase it is the american thing to do!' is what I get from those stickers. I take offense at someone of equal social stature (A citizen of the United States) telling me what to do. One letter would change that order to an opinion and I would cease my complaints. If all the bumper stickers said 'I support our Troops', I would have no more problems. What kind of country do we live in when I'm scared to drive around in my car with a 'I hate George Bush' sticker on it? Why is it okay for Republicans to bash Clinton half to death, and make Monica a world-wide issue and its not okay for us liberals to voice our discontent? Why are we unamerican? What have we done? We pay our taxes, go to work, go to school, maybe go to church or synagogue if we believe in doing that. I don't hate republicans, why do you hate us? Why do you call us whiners when we complain about losing the election? As I see it, both sides helped divide this country, in the months preceding november 2nd, this country grew more divided by the day. I felt it, I remember thinking how much I hated republicans, how much I hated George Bush, and how much I realized that all of my liberal friends felt the same. I couldn't understand anything that conservatives said, I cringed when W spoke up during the debates, I yelled at the TV on election night. But I realized afterwards that we are all Americans, we are the same people, divided. I kind of woke up. I don't hate republicans anymore, but I don't agree with them. I want to know why you can't let us fight against what you say, why it is so unamerican to do so. Sorry Everybody.com is a rightful AMERICAN way of expression, everyone who posts there is actually sorry for the election, they are speaking for themselves, that is their right. I would advise strongly to adhere to the constitution and cease calling them unamerican. Even if it is in your opinion to do so, I would urge a reconsideration. I invite discussion and debate on this, and possibly an answer to my question. Thanks for your time, and please remember, to me, W is not my president, he does not rightfully represent me or my beliefs. That should be okay with you all. If it is not, I would like to know why.


120 posted on 12/20/2004 12:17:10 PM PST by Ixion00X
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