Bush revives bid to legalize illegal aliens

Washington Times ^ | November 10, 2004 | Bill Sammon

[ovrtaxt]

President Bush yesterday moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just days after they helped re-elect him.

The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.

[churchillbuff]

How do you plan to deal with it?!""""

STOP SECOND-GUESSING BUSH!! STOP MAKING SENSE!!! STOP SPEAKING TRUTH!!! WE'VE HAD ENOUGH FACTS, GIVE US HAPPY-FACE FICTION!!! IF YOU DON'T IT MEANS YOU MUST BE A TROLL FROM DEMOCRAT UNDERGROUND!!!

[jpsb]

I think he is sincere in his belief that the illegals are just looking to feed their family. And he's probably mostly right, but the cost to us taxpayers is huge. He does not see the harm done to communities already over run by illegals, nor does he see how unfair the illegal immigration policies is to the millions waiting to legally immigrate. Why he is so pro-Mexican, pro-illegal, anti-legal, anti-fair I don't know. He thinks he is doing the right thing, but he is not. He is greatly maybe fatally injuring the Republic. But is mind is made up (has been for a long time) and he will try his damnest to hand the country over to Mexico, but congress sees things much more clearly, congress is much closer to the people and understands much better then Bush the damage illegal immigration is doing, Congress will not allow the nation to further slide into the back pocket of Mexico.

The door is wide open for a new polical party, an America First party might just form over this issue since this issue splits both the Rat and GOP party but has the overwhelming support of the public. Should a big name Democrat or Republican decide to give it a try it might just work.

[Blzbba]

"Okay all you blindly loyal Bush supporters. Bush got re-elected as you wanted. Many of you said that if we all would just re-elect Bush he wouldn't try and ram this amnesty-lite program of his down Americans throat, against their will. Many of you also said you would deal with this after Bush was re-elected. So, how about it?! How do you plan to deal with it?! Or was all that talk just blow-hard bluster?!"


Hey -relaaaax. Gays can't get married so all our problems are solved! So what if a few Islamic terrorist illegals get legalized status? Who cares? GAYS CAN'T GET MARRIED and God's Appointed is President. That is all that matters!

{/sarcasm}

[Bella_Bru]

No, it isn't the church's fault directly. Except when they refer illegals to social services.

Why don't you just reduce the welfare handouts to ALL in California?

But then their poor anchor babies would starve. Whaaaaaaah.

You still haven't answered. Are you for totally open borders?

[Blzbba]

"The difference is that nobody in the Dem party cares to resist it like we do."


How exactly are we resisting it? Supposedly, we all gave him a mandate for such actions.

We are getting what we deserve for blindly ignoring his amnesty-lite program started last year.

[RFEngineer]

"Charlotte was a nice place ......Now it is filled with violent Latin gangs."

So why can't the City of Charlotte fix this problem, or the great state of North Carolina?

Bush isn't going to help you, so you need to try somewhere else. In fact, Bush is counting on you to be complacent on this issue so he can advance his amnesty plan.

[Blzbba]

"Wonder if FReepers would call for his impeachment? "

Never! There's no way that giving illegal aliens - some of which probably harbor terrorist ambitions - legal status comes anything close to getting oral sex and lying about it!

[Stu Cohen]

I think we have enough people to keep the country sufficiently populated.

This "melting pot" and "this is a nation of immigrants" parroting is silly.

If the cradle of life is the in Africa/Middle East, then by definition .... EVERY nation is a nation of immigrants.

Things change. Nations get big. They become sovreign. They enact immigration laws. The cliche's become irrelevant.

[Ron H.]

Hey -relaaaax. Gays can't get married so all our problems are solved! So what if a few Islamic terrorist illegals get legalized status? Who cares? GAYS CAN'T GET MARRIED and God's Appointed is President. That is all that matters!

Your response at least has been one the more intellectually honest replies so far. And you're quite right.

[Bella_Bru]

Hey -relaaaax. Gays can't get married so all our problems are solved! So what if a few Islamic terrorist illegals get legalized status? Who cares? GAYS CAN'T GET MARRIED and God's Appointed is President. That is all that matters!

And sadly, that is the song of some here.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

And, Bush's Hispanic vote went up because he didn't try to close the borders. He was definitely courting the Hispanic vote.

[pilgrim]

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0104/ingraham.html 

 

01/09/04: Jumping conservatives at the border

"Snip"

What prevents these people from staying on beyond their time permitted for "temporary" work? As it stands now, there seems to be no limit on the immigration -temporary or permanent- allowed under this plan. And as for the claim that this would be a big boon to the American economy? Illegal immigration costs taxpayers $20 billion each year, in extra education, healthcare, welfare, and prison costs. Today thirty-four percent of Mexicans legally in the U.S., and 25 percent of Mexicans illegally here are welfare.

How are those costs diminished under the Bush plan?

Most bewildering is the Administration idea that this plan is necessary for homeland security reasons. On the contrary, it would not be surprising if some would-be terrorists are among the millions of illegals who will become "documented" under the Bush plan. As Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) charged, "Guest worker programs and gradual amnesty provide cover for terrorists." (snip)

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10/29/03: The attack of the open border elites

You are scanning the newspaper headlines one day and one in particular catches your eye: "Rep. Pelosi Says Arrests of Bank Robbers 'Terrorizing'"

You read on.

SAN FRANCISCO — US House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi complained that in many instances, police and other law enforcement officers "terrorize" the bank robbers and other criminals they are attempting to arrest. "Breaking into people's homes, pointing guns at them, yelling 'Freeze!' - this is all very traumatic for people who are just trying to feed their families. It is true that technically these people are breaking the law, but what does that matter when compared to the damage being done to the psyche of these poor people?"

Well, okay — Nancy Pelosi actually made the comments above about the recent arrest of hundreds of illegal aliens working for Wal-Mart, but you get the point. Pelosi called on business leaders to pressure Washington to ease immigration law because, as employers, they depend "on some people who may not be completely where they need to be legally."

Not completely where they need to be legally….

Despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of illegals continue to stream across our borders each year, the Journal bemoans our "stricter policing of the southern border" because it has "made matters worse." (For whom? Illegals? Isn't that the point of having immigration laws in the first place?) The Journal writes that "The price of an illegal crossing has tripled since 1995, and the average U.S. stay of an undocumented Mexican had climbed to nine years by the late 1990s from just three years in the 1980s." (italics mine).

First, note the Journal's usage of the politically correct term "undocumented Mexican," instead of "illegal alien." It may seem like a small point, but it has larger significance. Think of how the abortion movement used the "pro-choice" lingo to obscure the truth of what they were really advocating (i.e., the right to extinguish a life). Just the other day an official from La Raza went a step further, no longer referring to them as undocumented immigrants or workers, but rather "undocumented citizens."

Before September 11th, the Bush Administration, cheered on by the Journal and La Raza, was ready to give Mexican President Vicente Fox a nice gift — a partial amnesty for the illegals living and working here, along with a "guest worker" program to allow other non-citizens to come and work here. The attacks forced the Bush Administration to put amnesty on the back burner. (They refuse to call it amnesty, preferring to call it "family reunification") Amnesty would have been an impossible sell since we learned that the hijackers exploited the sloppy administration of visa system and the non-existent checks at our ports of entry.

.. .. Last week Utah Senator Orrin Hatch managed to get the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote 16-3 in favor of a bill called the Dream Act (who could be against that?!) that would allow states to give illegals in-state tuition rates at state universities. This was hardly covered by the mainstream press. Orrin Hatch apparently doesn't care that in poll after poll, a strong majority of Americans say they want our immigration laws vigorously enforced. (How does giving incentives and benefits to lawbreakers accomplish that?)

The left-right coalition that don't want to enforce our current laws have proposed measures that would significantly weaken those laws. Arizona Senator John McCain is co-sponsoring the Border and Immigration Improvement Act. Sounds good in name only. It is yet another attempt to pass a "temporary worker program" that promises to "direct the flow of workers into a legal framework and aid the government in getting a better handle on who's here and who's crossing the border."

If you oppose in-state tuition for illegals or amnesty for illegals, and if you support prosecuting illegals, their smugglers, and their employers, the Journal and its liberal compatriots brands you "restrictionist" or xenophobic. Or worse.

American citizenship and legal residency here is supposed to be a very big deal. Millions of people spent a lot of time and money to get here by playing by the rules. Our country, especially now, was never intended to be open to anyone in the world who can slip through our porous borders. By their constant denigration of our immigration laws, liberals and libertarians are attacking the very concept of citizenship itself. How can we ask our fellow citizens to sacrifice and fight and die for this country — much less serve on juries, vote, and take seriously the other duties of US citizens — if anyone can have all the privileges of a citizen just by physically getting into the country, even illegally?

The rule of law becomes meaningless if we don't enforce the law. Why should anyone ever obey our immigration laws when there is no benefit to doing so? Why do we bother to have Congress pass laws, if the elites of society can simply choose to ignore them?"snip"

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One of these Aztlan leaders is a Professor at the University of New Mexico and advocates the retaking of the Southwest.

 

[Blzbba]

"Freaking sad when a Republican is indistinguishable from the most liberal Democrat Senator on an issue as important as immigration. "


Don't forget creating more Big Gov't and using Big Gov't to enforce his views on 'culture'. Don't forget his outspending of every single president who doesn't have 'LBJ' in his initials. Don't forget the failure to cast a single veto in his first 4 years (something that hasn't happened in 175 years). Don't forget the record-setting expansion of the Nanny State with that insidious Medicare bill.


"If Bush does this, he will lose all of my support. Period."

He lost all mine in his first term. While I didn't vote for Kerry (voting for another liberal candidate and expecting a different result = insanity), I'm hoping that Bush does some things in his 2nd term that are more akin to my tag line.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Like all politicians, Bush is one.

[Stu Cohen]

One of these Aztlan leaders is a Professor at the University of New Mexico and advocates the retaking of the Southwest.

What do you mean "advocates"? Man, it's been done. I'm not even being sarcastic.

[Landru]

HA!!

Ummmmm.

...wonder what it means? :o)

[pilgrim]

"What do you mean "advocates"? Man, it's been done. I'm not even being sarcastic."

 

Amen to that!  New Mexico is a third world country! 

 

By the way your tag line is a BIG turn off for me.  When I call a business and that comes on.............I sometimes just hang up.  Expecting all the government offices to do this soon.

 

Take care...;^p ilgrim

[A Navy Vet]

"We DO need the labor."

Let me ask you the a couple questions, if I may:
1. Are you aware of the of illegals standing on the street corners of the USA waiting for someone to pick them up? They're called "day laborers" and they are everywhere in the cities of the southwest. The cities and towns even set up designated lots for them to loiter around hoping for work.
2. With the above FACT in mind, just how many more do we need to cut our lawns, watch our children, pick our crops, etc. per year? 100,000? 500,000? 1,000,000? 5,000,000? Can you give me a number and where the jobs will come from?

[A Navy Vet]

"...aware of the [thousands] of illegals..."

[A Navy Vet]

Why do I never get an answer to the above question?

[ClintonBeGone]

Are you for totally open borders?

Who is proposing open borders? I personally don't have a problem. I go back and forth to Canada all the time and it's no big deal.