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Report: Schwarzenegger urges GOP left turn
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Posted on 12/18/2004 7:32:17 PM PST by jakerobins

Report: Schwarzenegger urges GOP left turn Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 7:34 PM EST (0034 GMT)

Arnold Schwarzenegger

BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger suggested in a German newspaper interview published Saturday that the Republican Party should move "a little to the left," a shift that he said would allow it to pick up new voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: ahhnold; arnold; arnoldsarino; calgov; governator; kennedy; leftistrino; leftward; liberal; rino; rinos; schwartzenrino; schwarzenegger; toldyouso; traitors
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To: Hi Heels

PING!

(What do you think of your hero now?)


61 posted on 12/19/2004 1:01:47 AM PST by shibumi ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - John Galt)
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To: jakerobins

How much further to the left? This party is not going to stop being pro-2nd Amendment, pro-life and pro traditional values. The GOP won't win elections by aping the Democrats. Sorry, Arnold.


62 posted on 12/19/2004 1:04:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Prime Choice

>>Reversing the order would have destroyed the gag.

I missed that. Good point. :-)

>>And, weirdly enough, only Arabic reads right-to-left.

Traditional Japanese reads right to left, also.


63 posted on 12/19/2004 1:05:10 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: cricket

Yes... its time to be less accomodating and time to be more father mode - I mean its time to show the children the adults are in charge.


64 posted on 12/19/2004 1:06:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
Traditional Japanese reads right to left, also.

Absolutely right. My bad. Another kind Freeper mailed me and pointed out that Hebrew, Sanskrit are also read right to left.

65 posted on 12/19/2004 1:08:31 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: Prime Choice

That is still an interesting bit of trivia that Chester Arthur was born in Canada. I'll have to remember that one. Thanks for the little factoid!


67 posted on 12/19/2004 1:14:27 AM PST by Carlo Gambino
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To: head_spaz
Can anyone explain to me why the stars on the republican elephant icon (RINOsaurus in this case) are inverted like satanic symbols?

Funny...I never looked at 'em that way. I always viewed the stars as being rotated about 60° to the right. I don't think the intent was to invert the star, but I can't speak with any authority on that.

68 posted on 12/19/2004 1:16:42 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: Carlo Gambino; Clypp
That is still an interesting bit of trivia that Chester Arthur was born in Canada. I'll have to remember that one. Thanks for the little factoid!

Turns out that the claim by Clypp was false. Chester Arthur was not born in Canada. He was born in Vermont.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/ca21.html.

69 posted on 12/19/2004 1:17:58 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: Prime Choice

Lest you forget our good friends in Israel and Japan....Hebrew is right to left and so is Japanese.


70 posted on 12/19/2004 1:18:14 AM PST by Carlo Gambino
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To: Carlo Gambino
Lest you forget our good friends in Israel and Japan....Hebrew is right to left and so is Japanese.

So I've heard. :o)

71 posted on 12/19/2004 1:21:13 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: Prime Choice

Yea...I just caught that...but there does seem to be some conflict here:

http://www.torontofreepress.com/2003/spyros012703.htm

This was the first thing I noticed of interest from a search of Dunham Flats, Quebec on Google....not that it is gospel...If someone else wants to pursue this further, then I would be glad to listen, but I have a lot of work to do right now! I am just taking a break to look over FR.


72 posted on 12/19/2004 1:21:58 AM PST by Carlo Gambino
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To: Prime Choice

>>My bad. Another kind Freeper mailed me and pointed out that Hebrew, Sanskrit are also read right to left.

Some folks drive on the wrong side of the road too! ;-)
(and the wrong side of the car, for that matter, lol)


73 posted on 12/19/2004 1:25:54 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Carlo Gambino
Eh...I consider the White House historians to be a little more credible than the Toronto Free Press or some guy who wrote for The Beaver (dear God, that so sounds like a name for a porno rag).
74 posted on 12/19/2004 1:26:39 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: calcowgirl
Some folks drive on the wrong side of the road too! ;-) (and the wrong side of the car, for that matter, lol)

That's one thing that makes America great. We detested the European way of doing things so much, that we instinctively did everything bass-ackwards...sometimes out of sheer spite...to completely break from traditions of Mother England and her Euro-allies.

75 posted on 12/19/2004 1:28:35 AM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: nj26
"The deception might be that the Dems using the RINO crowd to push through an amendment. They've got a very photogenic moderate governor in Michigan..."

Agreed. If Arnold was reasonably conservative Republican, and then only if his full name was written on the amendment (so the amendment only applied to him), would I consider supporting it.

Since neither is true - why the heck do we need the amendment.
76 posted on 12/19/2004 5:11:34 AM PST by BobL
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To: Prime Choice; BobL; All

If I may, let me offer a different take on this issue.

I believe that the relative merits of one individual candidate, such as Arnold, have little to do with the real motivation for those who would support such an amendment, or the real, long term damage that its passage would cause.

It would be a great temptation for those in the liberal wing of the Republican Party, including many centrists, to join with some suprisingly willing Democrats to pass a bi-partisan effort to allow (ostensibly) one highly popular individual to run for the Presidency. Look for unexpected support from the left, once this movement gathers steam. Those on the left will welcome the opportunity to appear interested in priciple at their own political expense. The result, however would be a political Hydra.

First, in the practical short term, the Dems would face a candidate who, while immensely popular, has no grounding in principle and certainly no Constitutional perspective in developing policy for the nation. It would be easy for experienced politicians and spin doctors to position themselves in such a way as to look innocuous to the electorate in terms of social issues versus such a candidate. Even if they lost the Presidency, it is doubtful that a candidate of this type would have the coattails to carry the legislature with him the way that GWB just did. Further, when lacking in pricipled base, the new President would be hard pressed to resist compromise and this would result in a return to the incrementalism of the past sixty years. (We're ALMOST there now, anyway!)

Second, we must consider what the resulting political landscape would look like after the term of a single candidate of this type has expired. For one thing, the removal of the Constitutional barrier would set a mood in the country that could well give rise to many factionalized ethnic parties vying for national office. In the resulting melee, the left could easily come forth with a unifying leader. (Imagine Hillary running with the Dem spin machine and the Lib Press against a field that included Nader, a Libertarian, Louis Farrakhan, A Religious Conservative, Mohammed Abdullah, an Indian Convenience Store Magnate and the first Migrant Farmworker to run for President.) I am assuming, of course, that someone like Arnold would not be able to maintain the coalition that won the last election.

This may, on the surface, seem absurd, but it is exactly this type of climate that has enabled Socialists to gain office in European countries, and forced those Conservatives who have managed election into unpalatable compromises. Our founders, fully realizing it, put the Constitutional barrier in place specifically to make sure that anyone elected to the Presidency would be someone raised from birth in the American Ethos.

It's a lot easier to let the horse out of the barn than to get him back in. Remember, when you see unexpectedly open-minded support coming from the left on this issue, that with them, things are never as they seem.


77 posted on 12/19/2004 8:10:49 AM PST by shibumi ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - John Galt)
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To: jakerobins

No, Gov. Schwarezenegger is right, at least if the Republican Party wants to be the dominant political party for the USA for decades, much like the Democrats were from ~1930-1980.


78 posted on 12/19/2004 8:49:21 AM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: KoRn
My thought exactly. It's frightening that some folks are so star struck they don't care what he advocates or does, so long as they get to claim the Gropernator as a Republican.
79 posted on 12/19/2004 11:52:21 AM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: shibumi
" It would be a great temptation for those in the liberal wing of the Republican Party, including many centrists, to join with some suprisingly willing Democrats to pass a bi-partisan effort to allow (ostensibly) one highly popular individual to run for the Presidency..."

You know that sounds an awful lot like 2000 with McCain. The Dems were signing up and voting in droves to stick him as our Republican nominee. Only the closed Primary in South Carolina saved us from him.

You are exactly right.
80 posted on 12/19/2004 12:41:36 PM PST by BobL
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