[blam]

GGG Ping.

[satchmodog9]

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[SandRat]

...unearthing information that points to the existence of the Bible's vilified Kingdom of Edom at precisely the time the Bible says it existed,...

Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

[VNam68]

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[geopyg]

"It is intriguing that at Khirbat en-Nahas, our large Iron Age fort is dated to just this period, suggesting conflict as a central concern even at a remote copper-production site."

I suppose copperwas used somehow to help them fight - so it WOULD be a central concern.

It was only a few years ago as I recall that they actually uncovered a historical artifact that mentions a "King David" from around that time. "Before that - it was just a story".

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

There are forts older than this all over that area of the middle east; how on earth does this prove or disprove the existence of an Edomite state at a particular point in time?

This is just more axe grinding: seizing any particle of "evidence" to "prove" something you already believed without proof.

[SengirV]

"ey applied high-precision radiocarbon-dating methods to some of their finds, and as they say in the British journal Antiquities, "The results were spectacular."

Uh oh, the creationists can't use this as a win since they employ RCD to date the findings. Well, they will, but then they will say how horrible RCD is anyway.

[the_Watchman]

Focus on the Family produced a very interesting archaeological film series on the holy land. It is called "That the World Should Know". One of the segments is about Edom.

The story shows the ruins of one of Herod's palaces which is in the same valley as Bethlehem. The palace was one of the five largest in the world at the time of the birth of Jesus and visible from Bethlehem. It was completely walled and built on the top of a hill. It was several stories high with living quarters for Herod's family on the top floor and quarters for troops in the walls. Jesus was born literally "In the Shadow of Herod", the name of the program.

Now Herod was an Admen or Edomite. His family had built a series of palaces a day's march apart from Jerusalem down to Edom in the south. These palaces served as forts which gave him an escape route back to his family.

When Esau and Jacob were born, the promise of the Old Testament was that "the older would serve the younger".

So now picture the traditional manger scene: The shepherds approach the baby Jesus, the son of Jacob, while they can see the literal might of Herod, the descendant of Esau, in the distance. What irony! What faith! What hope!

How many times and in how many ways do we decide that "Herod" is in charge today?

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[SunkenCiv]

"unearthing information that points to the existence of the Bible's vilified Kingdom of Edom at precisely the time the Bible says it existed, and contradicting widespread academic belief that it did not come into being until 200 years later."

No surprise there. :')

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam. Slow week, eh? ;')

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[Youngblood]

Interesting. I don't think that most people doubt that much of the Old Testament is based on actual historical events. For example, there's Pitman and Ryan's hypothesis that the Flood story originated in the breaching of the Bosphorus by the Mediterranean Sea to form the Black Sea. I also recently saw a very interesting programme that correlated the flight from Egypt with events surrounding the explosion and collapse of the volcanic island of Santorini (falling ash, a tsunami causing an ebbing of the sea and subsequent drowning the Egyptian army - they accounted for all the plagues with natural explanations). All very plausible in my opinion, unlike a global flood or literal one-week creation within the last ten thousand years.

[ValerieUSA]

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.
Because, if the little bit of the Old Testament's narrative that Prof. Adams and his colleagues have looked at is true, other bits could be true as well.

I don't like this kind of writing. It is not the correct way to present a new discovery.

[Just mythoughts]

Interesting find.

[hershey]

Hmmm. Frustrated archaeologist ping.

[Boot Hill]

Very interesting...

[Junior]

They applied high-precision radiocarbon-dating methods to some of their finds, and as they say in the British journal Antiquities, "The results were spectacular."

But everyone knows Radiocarbon dating is flawed!

/sarcasm

[R. Scott]

This kind of bickering accomplished little. The dispute of the minimalists is (in my opinion) a waste of time and energy.

…so David and Solomon, rather than being mighty monarchs, were mere petty chieftains.

One people’s Mighty Monarch is another’s petty chieftain. Where is the line drawn? Is it in square miles of controlled territory, population, and accumulated wealth? If so, what is the demarcation?

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.

Remove the theology and I am reminded of my government school history texts – a mix of fragmented history and folklore. It also reminds me of some of the scholarly papers I have read – material that fails to back the writers point of view is ignored.

[anniegetyourgun]

Shocked to see the Globe and Mail would even touch this story. However, I'm not shocked to see the scoffers and mockers on this thread. Such was also foretold.