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1 posted on 05/21/2005 4:00:49 AM PDT by tacomonkey2002
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I got in trouble with a college history professor 35 years ago for daring to raise many of the same points about the Roosevelt betrayal at Yalta. I had a solid A riding into the final exam, did very well on the final and ended up with a final grade of C. I have long felt that, along with Carter and Clinton, FDR was #1 of the top three worst presidents of the 20th century. Woodrow Wilson is always in that competition too.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 4:13:12 AM PDT by RushLake (Permission from the UN...we don't need no stinking permission slip from the UN.)
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This, to me, is chilling:

Germany was to be dismembered, its "national wealth" removed within two years, and several million Germans were to be sent to the Soviet Union to work as slave laborers. The record quotes Roosevelt as saying, "I hope Marshal Stalin would again propose a toast to the execution of 50,000 officers of the German army."

A Democrat can so casually condemn millions to the gulags, and celebrate mass executions.

Seems not much has changed in sixty years of Socialism in America, has it? They worship Uncle Joe, then and now.

3 posted on 05/21/2005 4:37:25 AM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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Here goes Bush again. Unapologetically speaking the truth and blasting liberal dogma.

The libs loved Yalta, because it got them half way to where they wanted to be.

I was in the Czech Republic a week ago and it was the 60th anniversary of "liberation". In Pilzen they were celebrating with American veterans. My Czech friends bitterly lamented that it was the Russians and not the Americans that "liberated" Czechoslovakia.

However, the Soviets were driving for territory despite Yalta. They took more casualties in their final push on Berlin, than we took during the entire war. It is questionable whether we could have taken much more territory regardless. Stalin most certainly wouldn't have backed off without a fight. It is also very questionable how we would have faired against the Soviets at that time. The T-34/85 would have ripped our tanks apart. As good a tank as the Germans, but in much greater numbers. Our air power was awesome, but the Soviets had a lot of aircraft and of increasingly good quality. We might have had to use the A-bomb on them first, and I don't think Stalin would have backed down then.
4 posted on 05/21/2005 5:16:14 AM PDT by SampleMan
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I know of many elderly Republicans who still get a warm fuzzy over FDR. Elderly Rats, of course, still go gaga over him. I personally believe he will go from revered to reviled once his giant Ponzi scheme collapses and Social Security becomes nothing more that a redistribution of the wealth mechanism as it slowly implodes.
5 posted on 05/21/2005 5:25:11 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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"one of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's tragic mistakes"

Mistakes??????How anyone could consider the fraud at Yalta a "mistake" is beyond me. The French in 1938/39 had warned our government that the Hiss brothers were communist spies. Even Hoover knew they were spies. FDR gave away nothing he did not want to give away.

6 posted on 05/21/2005 5:25:36 AM PDT by cynicom
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..Churchill said, "If we had spent ten years on research we could not have found a worse place in the world than Yalta. ... It is good for typhus and deadly lice which thrive in those parts."....Sir Winston lends a dose of reality to the proceedings....


7 posted on 05/21/2005 5:51:09 AM PDT by Route101
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While Roosevelt, Hiss, et al were hatching Yalta, F A Hayek was writing his classic explanation of the fact that although Soviet Communism and German National Socialism were in a bitter war, anyone who believed in liberty would not see appreciable difference between the two.

The Road to Serfdom, was published in Britain and (over some determined resistance) in America in 1944. Hayek was sailing to America for what he thought would be a modest book tour in 1945 when a sensation occurred. In April 1945 The Road to Serfdom was not only condensed in the Readers' Digest, it was the first article in an issue of the Digest - the first and still the only condensed book to be placed there rather than in the back. After the April 1945 edition of the Digest hit the newsstands, Hayek arrived to learn that The Road to Serfdom was a sensation in America and he would be speaking to huge audiences.

The original uncondensed book has gone through multiple printings since then, at least as recently as a 50th anniversary printing in 1994. It has been printed in many languages, and was read sereptitiously behind the Iron Curtain.

The Road to Serfdom (Link to the Readers' Digest Condensed Version in PDF) The Institute of Economic Affairs ^ | April, 1945 | F.A. Hayek

8 posted on 05/21/2005 6:36:13 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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