[Chief_Joe]

I don't give a D*MN who's says it but things are not going so swimmingly over there right now. I now Mr. Hagel and his ilk are not true supporters of our efforts, but I also know we've been half-a**ing this thing from the get go. Rummy's refusal to put the necessary troops and equipment over is going to haunt us forever. There's no pretty way to fight a war. To win you must destroy and KILL first. No cutesy plan that calls for no killing is going to work.

[listenhillary]

Where do we get the troops?

[jeremiah]

You speak true, too much negotiating and thinking going on right now. Not enough killing and mayhem by our side.