[Mark in the Old South]

Re: "Link, please?"

Do you mean about the sermons? It was in a book I was reading at my local library. I can not remember the name but the premise of the book was to suggest the Catholic Church might have reformed itself with out the Protestant Revolution. If gave a cross section of sermons and lectures across Europe of people calling on the Church to reform. I found the premise unconvincing because all examples provided were people writing AFTER the trouble with Monk Luther was well under way except an Englishman named Cabot (not sure if I remember his name correctly) and our friend Savonarola. Savonarola was the best example and the sermon was a good one and it mentioned the Antichrist as a Pope, but then he was excommunicated and he was charged with Heresy and he was convicted and he was burned at the stake for his crimes. I suspect the art community considers this his just deserve for his sins (not liking the art). As for me the art community hardly has credibility to condemn the man but until I have time I will withhold judgment especially since he is being considered for sainthood.

The problem with the canonization process is they are considering all sorts of people these days including Martin Luther of all people. //eyes rolling//

[Rytwyng]

... the premise of the book was to suggest the Catholic Church might have reformed itself with out the Protestant Revolution...[but] all examples provided were people writing AFTER the trouble with Monk Luther....

What about Huss and Wycliff? They were before Luther, too. Luther said, "I have taught and held all the teachings of John Huss, but thus far did not know it. In short we all are Hussites and did not know it!"

The problem with the canonization process is they are considering all sorts of people these days including Martin Luther of all people. //eyes rolling//

But if your infallible pope proclaims him a Saint, you must accept it. And there was a Catholic/Lutheran accord signed in 1998 regarding a common view of salvation by grace. Hmm...

The plus side of papal infallibility, of course, is that the Vatican supported the South in the Civil War ;-)