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Pat Boone
John Rook ^ | August 14, 2005 | John Rook

Posted on 08/14/2005 10:04:47 PM PDT by USMale

The original American Idol, Pat Boone, is celebrating his 50th year with a career few singers come close to, I am shocked and astounded to learn Pat Boone is absent from his rightful place in the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame. How couId this terrible oversight have occurred? No one alive today is more deserving of this honor than Pat Boone.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 50thanniversary; bangyourhead; monstersofmetal; patboone; rockhalloffame
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To: puroresu

You are correct, your knowledge of American music history sends you to the head of the class. Interesting, in all of the posts on this subject of "rock" not once did the name Eddie Cochran come up. He was voted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame early along with Bill Haley, Bo Diddley, Jackie Wilson, Marvin Gaye and others.

The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and many English hit makers claim Cochran was their inspiration. While he was an American artist, he is largely unknown here except by the music industry. In England, where he died in a tragic automobile accident in 1960, Eddie Cochran is considered on the same level at Elvis and Buddy Holly there.


101 posted on 08/15/2005 8:05:20 AM PDT by USMale
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To: Kirkwood
None of those are rock & roll titles.

How about his song "Wang-Dang-Taffy-Apple-Tango, Mombo, Cha-Cha-Cha"?

102 posted on 08/15/2005 8:08:12 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Dr.Hilarious
I'll vote for Pat Boone to enter the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame ONLY after they let Minnie Pearl in.

Howwwww Deeeeee !!!

103 posted on 08/15/2005 8:27:17 AM PDT by mcmuffin
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To: WKB

Tell me, who looks more like a hop head?


104 posted on 08/15/2005 8:39:44 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Tony Stuart : POS)
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To: Banjoguy

Several of Pat's recordings belonged to Little Richard.


LITTLE RICHARD—the originator, the emancipator, the architect of rock and roll. Exploding into the American consciousness in the mid-50's’..."awop-bop-a-loo-mop-alop-bam-boom"…he singlehandedly laid the foundation and established the rules for a new musical form: rock and roll.

Born and raised in Macon, Georgia, the third of twelve children, Richard Wayne Penniman began singing in his local church choir while still a youngster. He signed with RCA Records in 1951 after winning a talent contest and released two singles—neither receiving prominent notice.

Returning to his job washing dishes in a Greyhound bus station, Richard sent a demo tape to Specialty Records, a fledgling Los Angeles label. The song, "Tutti Frutti," was his catalyst for success and led to an uninterrupted run of smash hits—"Tutti Frutti," "Long Tall Sally," "Rip It Up," "Lucille," "Jenny Jenny," "Keep A Knockin’", "Good Golly Miss Molly," "Ooh! My Soul"…By 1968, Little Richard had sold over 32 million records internationally.

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105 posted on 08/15/2005 9:09:02 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: onyx

Nationally syndicated talk show host, Rollye James, will interview Pat Boone tonight on her XM satellite show. George Noory will interview Pat on Coast to Coast, Wednesday night.

Here'a Rollye's comments from her www.Rollye.net website.

The story of Pat Boone (yes the singer) is a textbook case of positioning nightmares. When Pat was starting out, rock and roll was in its gestation. The top 40 radio format was a not yet conceived. Rhythm and Blues music was still considered "race records" and while rock would be strongly influenced by it (as was rockabilly), the hard core (and absolutely wonderful) R&B tunes were not going to get mainstream airplay. Racist, wrong and disappointing-- but true. (Heck, the wonderful R&B based southern music form was named "Beach Music" because kids were afraid to bring those 'race records' into the house. Pictures were notoriously absent from the album covers.) While you'd hear the real deal late night on WLAC with John R., Hoss Allen and the gang, Main Street USA was beyond unaware of R&B's existence.

Eventually that would change. But eventually probably came quicker due to Pat Boone and the folks at Dot Records. As rock and roll emerged so did Pat with white covers of R&B hits. In an era where even rock and roll was seen as the 'devil's music' Pat's polished pop standard sound, and wonderfully clean cut good looks, made the unthinkable actually acceptable. And clearly not just mom and dad tolerated his version of "Ain't That A Shame" or "Tutti Frutti" --the 45s were million sellers which meant a lot of kids more than accepted Boone.

OK, I'm not gonna tell you I liked those covers. I'm not going to tell you I bought them. But I am gonna tell you I respected the bridge they created, bringing sounds, however watered down or whitened up, to mainstream audiences. (And if you think that's not the goal just ask Berry Gordy who produced every Motown smash to appeal to white teens. In Berry's days, it wasn't racial-- rather pure mathematics. White is what the masses were.) Pat paved the way for an entire genre of music to move into the mainstream. (Oh I'm also gonna tell you that I think Pat Boone is one of the finest pop vocalists ever. Perhaps the best pre-rock ballad voice. Clearly in the league of the greats like Joni James or Jo Stafford. )

Pat was not the only major star to cover an R&B hit. One of Elvis Presley's biggest hits "Hound Dog" was done first (and lord knows much better) by Big Mama Thornton. But here's the irony-- today Elvis is seen as a rock legend, and Pat some kind of interloper. What's the difference? Elvis was equally white and cleaned up (if you doubt it, you didn't know Big Mama Thornton's music), but somehow he was hip and Pat wasn't? But Pat was hip at the time. So the real question is, what happened to change perception and when did it occur? That question is worthy of a marketing grant. We'll get Pat's take on it.

The Rolling Stones have been on stage for over 40 years-- respected by critics and fans. How come no one mentions that their first chart hit here was a Buddy Holly cover, and their first big smashes were covers of Irma Thomas' "Time Is On My Side" (Don't tell me you think Mick Jagger is more soulful than Irma. Just don't.) and The Valentinos' "It's All Over Now".? Come on, if this was Pat Boone you'd be hearing how he obscured the work of The Valentinos. But it's the Rolling Stones so you're saying The Valen-who's? Look at early Beatles records. No one has proclaimed them the predatory cause for less Arthur Alexander music to be played (Anna) or less Cookies tunes to air (Chains) or so many other R&B covers on their first few albums. But somehow Pat Boone is a rock and roll problem? We'll find out exactly when the "problem" surfaced. Someone rewrote history. And I fear it's from ignorance. This is a man who belongs in the rock and roll hall of fame and he's not there. I'm going to try to change it. And people who have seen my record collection (if it was black group harmony in the '50s or if it was soul in the '60s, I've probably got it) will think I've lost my mind. But I strongly believe that Pat was a catalyst of sorts and rock would have developed differently (or maybe just later) without him. (FYI The aforementioned record collection includes a few Pat Boone records, such as the wonderfully politically incorrect"Speedy Gonzales", his cover of John Stewart's "July You're A Woman" (John's version didn't chart, but Pat's did) and "Friendly Persuasion" a stellar example of that great pop-standard sound I referenced.)

We'll definitely talk about the past, but we'll also spend time on the present which includes a flurry of new CDs, including a gospel album called "Glory Train" packaged with a tribute to Billy Graham DVD. You can see it (and here it-- "Thank You Billy Graham" is also a single on the "Glory Train CD), by clicking here. You'll see he's joined by everyone from Bono to Andre Crouch-- clearly not an unhip crowd. Definitely worth seeing. It's a QuickTime Streaming movie. If for some reason it doesn't come up for you, click here and go to Pat's order page. You can access it from there too, as well as see what's available right now from Pat, whom I look forward to talking with at 10. Hope you can join me.


106 posted on 08/15/2005 9:27:45 AM PDT by USMale
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To: lonestar

Ah, yes, but Heartbreak Hotel was LATE 1955. But Pat Boone was still king. Elvis and his "Blue Suede Shoes" were still on the naughty side. You know, he had that "Jailhouse Rock" thing going on...

In 1956 Moms still made sure that their sons were all outfitted in their "White Sportcoats and Pink Carnations" for the Prom, a la Pat Boone. No decent mom would have allowed her kid out of the house on Prom night in blue suede shoes! And if some errant mom did, his date's mother & father certainly wouldn't have allowed her to go anywhere with him. (In those days, most kids had a mother AND a father at home.) Pat Boone's mantle as a crooner was taken up in 1957 by Johnny Mathis and Jimmy Rogers.


107 posted on 08/15/2005 9:47:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: USMale


I hope I remember Coast-2-Coast come Wednesday. I doubt that I get XM radio...lol. I've always liked Rollye James.


108 posted on 08/15/2005 10:00:54 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: garyhope

I guess you're going to say that Conway Twitty wasn't a rock 'n' roller either?!?

ROFL!!!


109 posted on 08/15/2005 10:04:28 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: USMale

Pat Boone was the antidote to Elvis Presley. Opposite of rock.


110 posted on 08/15/2005 10:06:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: onyx

Right you are, my friend.....


111 posted on 08/15/2005 10:40:53 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Tony Stuart : POS)
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To: lonestar
Red Foley, Country Music Hall of Famer, was Pat Boone's father-in-law. I think.

The biggest non-sequitur in modern music is putting "country" and "music" next to each other. Or even in the same sentence.

Well, maybe second to "rap" and "music".

112 posted on 08/15/2005 10:50:05 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
So, just WHAT is the criteria for the RR hall of Fame.

Selling admission tickets.

113 posted on 08/15/2005 10:56:02 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: USMale

Actually, Sonny Dae and the Knights were an all white ITALIAN novelty group that played the eastern seaboard in the early 1950's.

One of the song's composers (James Meyers, a.k.a. Jimmy DeKnight) had Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (the Comets, as they were then known) in mind when composing the song. Due to tensions between Meyers and Haley's record producer at Essex (Dave Miller), the song was not allowed to be recorded by Haley while under contract with Essex. As a favor to Meyers, Haley's manager passed it on to Sonny Dae (real name: Paschal Vennitti) to record at the Arcade label.


114 posted on 08/15/2005 11:05:56 AM PDT by dave k
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To: Hank Rearden
I'm not a fan of most country music and I hate rap. However, that doesn't change the fact that Red Foley is in the Country Music Hall of Fame and was Pat Boone's father-in-law.

I like Anne Murray and her music and she was considered "country" when she first started recording. I also liked Jim Reeves and Patsy Cline, among a few others who were considered country. I like music; not "somebody done me wrong" lyrics. I don't like the big hats--'cept on George Strait.

115 posted on 08/15/2005 2:03:31 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: luvbach1
Bobby Darin didn't do Sea Cruise. That was Frankie somebody (no, not Avalon).
116 posted on 08/15/2005 2:14:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nachamu, nachamu, `ammi; yo'mar 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: Maceman

Yeesh! Put your glasses on. I was talking about BD, not PB.


117 posted on 08/15/2005 3:00:10 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Zionist Conspirator

BD did Beyond the Sea.


118 posted on 08/15/2005 3:14:02 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Zionist Conspirator

BD did Beyond the Sea.


119 posted on 08/15/2005 3:14:06 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Zionist Conspirator

BD did Beyond the Sea.


120 posted on 08/15/2005 3:14:07 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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