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1 posted on 10/17/2005 8:57:37 AM PDT by Fzob
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Wow.... interesting.


2 posted on 10/17/2005 8:59:28 AM PDT by mwyounce
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So, this "global warming" could just continue to be after-effects of that event. I supppose women/minorities were impacted mostly back then.


3 posted on 10/17/2005 9:00:05 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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"Distant Star explodes ... women, minorities and North America hit hardest"?


4 posted on 10/17/2005 9:04:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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> ... a key piece of evidence for the supernova is a set of
> 34,000-year-old mammoth tusks riddled with tiny craters.

Seems a bit of a stretch. Plus, the radiation alone might
be sufficiently fatal.

However, I fully expect that an SN will at some time be
linked to a historical catastrophe. And other SNs are
still out there. Perhaps some have already exploded and
are sending nasty stuff our way.

Planetary defense is possible for asteroids and comets.
I'm not sure what we can do about SNs.


5 posted on 10/17/2005 9:05:13 AM PDT by Boundless
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The findings were presented at last weekend's "World of Elephants" international conference in Hot Springs, S.D.

Wow, the town I grew up in is in the news!!

6 posted on 10/17/2005 9:06:59 AM PDT by marvlus
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Occam's Razor says there's a simpler explanation. The Indians ate the mammoths, the mastodons, the giant sloths and armadillos. The sabertooth tigers starved. You don't need superheated hurricanes, supernovas firing interstellar shrapnel, etc. And how come this supernova weather didn't hit Asia or Europe or Africa?


7 posted on 10/17/2005 9:07:00 AM PDT by lostlakehiker
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It's Bush's fault.


8 posted on 10/17/2005 9:09:18 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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The article didn't say what part of the heavens the supernova was supposed to have occurred. They usually say "supernova in constellation so and so." Maybe they said it somewhere, does anybody know?


9 posted on 10/17/2005 9:18:10 AM PDT by sasportas
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And just why would the comet be related to the supernova? Was it traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light? Was it aimed at the Earth from 250 light years away?

Whatever caused the craters had to have been traveling around 6,214 miles per second,

Don't you just love that precision! About 41,000 years ago but exactly 6214 miles per second! Ah, why can't these stupid "journalists" just leave the speeds in kilometers in the first place?

11 posted on 10/17/2005 9:23:13 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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Thank you! Finally a theory that fits observations! I'll watch developments on this closely. Great catch!


12 posted on 10/17/2005 9:27:14 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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The findings were presented at last weekend's "World of Elephants" international conference in Hot Springs, S.D.


14 posted on 10/17/2005 9:30:47 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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Firestone said smaller animals could have sought shelter more readily, by going into caves or underground.

How would small animals, man included, know to do this? Would there have been some type of visible physical manifestation of this event?

17 posted on 10/17/2005 9:32:12 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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They think the supernova exploded 250 light-years away from Earth,

If a 10 solar mass star's entire substance were distrubuted evenly over the surface of a sphere 250 light-years across, you get (2 x 10^31 kg) / 4pi*(2.37 x 10^15 km)^2 = 0.283 kg/km^2 or about a quarter milligram for every square meter.

In reality, most of that is hydrogen and helium, not heavy metals, it won't all come at once, and not all of it will escape from the supernova's core's gravity.

Which is more believable, all the large North American mammals were killed by a quarter milligram per square meter of material spread out over years, or the arrival of humans on the continent?

18 posted on 10/17/2005 9:33:06 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (We were promised someone in the Scalia/Thomas mold. Maybe next time.)
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Yeah, I guess all of those bison and elk ran into caves or burrowed underground. So do genetic studies show any bottlenecks in any other species during that same period? This sounds like just another attempt to avoid the obvious explanation is that the Clovis hunters that crossed over into the Americas from Asia during the last Ice Age were very effective hunters of large mammals to the point where some became extinct.
20 posted on 10/17/2005 9:35:15 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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"What is exciting about Dr. Firestone's theory is that it can be easily tested," Becker said, and indicated she hopes future research will yield additional clues from North American and other sediment layers.

Then test it. Until then, it's just an educated guess. Much like many scientific theories.

22 posted on 10/17/2005 9:36:33 AM PDT by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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Great. Now someone will file a class action suit on behalf of the extinct mammoths for reparations, claiming Bush and Halliburton caused the supernova.


23 posted on 10/17/2005 9:37:05 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (www.narniaontour.com)
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To: Fzob; SunkenCiv; RadioAstronomer


24 posted on 10/17/2005 9:37:24 AM PDT by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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Bush's Fault


32 posted on 10/17/2005 9:53:23 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Oom (Translation: Shut the F*** up UN))
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Hey ... if Superman can get here that way, so can a comet-like body.


33 posted on 10/17/2005 9:55:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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Does anybody find it ironic that the theory of global catastrophy caused by flaming meteors and stoney comets was presented by a fellow named 'Firestone'? ...and co-founded as being the cause of destruction in the western hemisphere from a vanAllen belt like penetration by a geologist named Allen West?


34 posted on 10/17/2005 9:59:08 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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