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To: Charles Henrickson

O.K., trivia question:

The Roman Emperor thought that the shortest day of the year was Dec. 25th. Yet we see it as December 20th or 21st. Why?

Hint: the observations of his astronomers was probably correct, as are ours.


3 posted on 12/07/2005 2:41:34 PM PST by RonF
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To: RonF

Two possible reasons:

1. Precession of the solstices

2. Innaccuracy of the calendar w/regards to the way they did leap years.


10 posted on 12/07/2005 2:51:44 PM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RonF

When Pope Gregory XIII came up with the calendar reform in 1582, his purpose was to get the date of the vernal equinox back to where it was in A.D. 325, when the Council of Nicaea had set the rules for calculating the date of Easter.


12 posted on 12/07/2005 2:53:57 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: RonF

Wild guess, but I'd say the additional days added to July, August and a couple others, pushed 12/25 back that many days, but obviously not the actual solstice.


13 posted on 12/07/2005 2:55:24 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: RonF

O.K., trivia question:

The Roman Emperor thought that the shortest day of the year was Dec. 25th. Yet we see it as December 20th or 21st. Why?

Hint: the observations of his astronomers was probably correct, as are ours"""




Karrl Rove changed it?


14 posted on 12/07/2005 2:56:42 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: RonF
Until the Gregorian Calendar was accepted in the British Empire in 1752, the Winter Solstice occurred on Dec 25.
18 posted on 12/07/2005 3:03:32 PM PST by NathanR (Apri moi, le deluge.)
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To: RonF
O.K., trivia question:

The Roman Emperor thought that the shortest day of the year was Dec. 25th. Yet we see it as December 20th or 21st. Why?

Hint: the observations of his astronomers was probably correct, as are ours

The 25th is the day the sunset begins to occur later. Between the 20th an 25th the day lengthens by an earlier occuring dawn

20 posted on 12/07/2005 3:08:22 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: RonF

"O.K., trivia question:
The Roman Emperor thought that the shortest day of the year was Dec. 25th. Yet we see it as December 20th or 21st. Why?
Hint: the observations of his astronomers was probably correct, as are ours."

Fascinating question, but to answer it requires asking questions.

When you say "the Roman Emperor thought that the shortest day of the years was December 25", do you mean by that, that if he consulted his Roman calendar of the time (this would have to be post-Augustus), that the solstice would have fallen on December 25? Or do you mean that if we were to project our calendar back to the Roman time, that the shortest day of the year would have been on December 25, by our reckoning of time, and not theirs?

Either your question relates to the change in the calendar, or it relates to the relative change in motion of the earth relative to the sun.

And in truth, a proper relates to both things. Even were the calendars identical then and now, and not have been changed at all in the interim, the precise times that certain celestial events occurred would differ, at least slightly, because things have moved about, the earth rotates a bit slower, the position of things relative to the sun is a little bit different, etc.

I don't know that 3000 years is enough to make for 3 days difference, but it will be interesting to hear your answer.


23 posted on 12/07/2005 3:09:50 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: RonF

Precesion [sp] of the Earth on its axis.


48 posted on 12/07/2005 3:54:05 PM PST by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome)
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To: RonF

Because when the calendar was changed, we added three days.


50 posted on 12/07/2005 4:00:06 PM PST by Chickensoup (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: RonF

bump for later reading


59 posted on 12/07/2005 4:24:19 PM PST by mel
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To: RonF

bump for later reading


60 posted on 12/07/2005 4:24:20 PM PST by mel
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To: RonF
Here's a good web site for calendars and calendar corrections. They have some interesting articles and web programs.
225 posted on 12/08/2005 12:48:18 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: RonF

Just differences of days with the old Julian (Roman) calender, that's all.


336 posted on 12/11/2005 9:00:31 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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