Posted on 03/05/2006 5:12:53 AM PST by Jim Noble
THE RED CARDINAL'S hat on its way to Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley sends a clear message to liberal Catholics who still hope the Catholic Church will shift their way: It isn't shifting....
Last week, seven members of the board of Catholic Charities of Boston announced their resignations. They were protesting the effort by Massachusetts bishops to prohibit gays from adopting children from their Catholic social service agencies. The seven who quit said the prohibition ''threatens the very essence of our Christian mission."...
But the Roman Catholic Church, the institution seeking the prohibition, holds a drastically different view.
Church doctrine states that allowing children to be adopted by same-sex couples ''would actually mean doing violence to these children." Gay adoptions are ''gravely immoral."
If you agree with those principles, you are, according to the Vatican, a Catholic in good standing...
If you don't, you're not.
Liberals raised as Catholics refuse to accept this reality. We think we can be prochoice, pro-gay marriage , pro-gay adoption, and in favor of married and female priests and still call ourselves Catholic. The people who make the rules say we don't meet the criteria....
The church in Rome thinks in centuries, not in news cycles. It isn't budging.
Will liberals in America ever get the message?
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
They can join the United church. They have gay ministers, and Lesbo ones too!. Well at least they THINK they are Ministers, they really aren't in God's eyes.
I think you're right. Just the thought of that statement Biden made violates all common sense to the devotion to the Rosary.
That is where a lot of liberal catholics are today. They don't understand what the faith is all about!
No
Unitarian Church is open. They like you as you are.
We're all sinners.
The criteria in question has more to do with whether the sin is being flaunted.
A remarried couple is at least trying to establish something akin to a proper marriage & family; sin complicates things terribly, so we tend (debatable in another thread) to give people a pass so long as they're tring to do right with the broken pieces they have.
A gay/lesbian couple, on the other hand, is NOT living in anything even akin to a proper marriage; there is no "man and wife". Homosexuality is roundly condemnned in both Old and New Testaments. You can't even try to pretend the sin isn't there.
Sure, a strong argument can be made that remarrieds are adulterrers, therefore in sin, and therefore must pull out of that relationship else be ostracized. There's a reason that held for about 1977 years, and the issue remains. Thing is, given this thread/context/question, we can at least grant the remarried couple the benefit of the doubt, that they are trying to do right with the broken pieces they have (still debatable ... and debatable nontheless). Adding children to the equation may not harm them, as the family at least seems normal/right enough.
Those flaunting their sin, their situation being absolutely impossible to reconcile with scripture, are unquestionably unrepentant. Adding children to the equation unavoidably damages the children, as the sin cannot be righted or concealed without outright separation.
I dated a Unitarian for a while. (she was really cute, OK?) I have to admit the teachings are very seductive and I can understand the appeal.
Sorry ... IT WASN'T MY FAULT! I just cut-and-pasted his name from another post. :-)
Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church got infiltrated by regularly old gay supporter types ~ they really gotta' do something about this stuff.
Admit it, some people are just lost and there's nothing you can do about it ~ not even quoting Scripture is going to help them.
"But the Church teaches that those who divorce and remarry without first obtaining an annulment cannot take communion and their second marriage is not recognized or considered valid."
Then I guess I'm living in a state of sin... I'm sorry, but I believe Jesus wants me to recieve him into my heart "symbolically" every Sunday morning, but also every morning I open my eyes thanking him for another day... The Catholic Church is made up of sinners, and I believe if only those without sin were to recieve the Sacrament of Communion the line down the center aisle of my Church would be empty...
"That's Benedict XVI, sir."
That would be my mistake. Never good with those Roman numerals....
That sounds like my MIL> Boy, did she go ona rant/bender when sKerry lost -- and another, when Benedict XVI was chosen.
Have you talked to an advocate in your diocese about an annulment? If you can't get anyone to cooperate and therefore can't proceed in that manner, there is the "other" way, the private way that is not widely publicized by the Church, but still recognized as valid. I should know, because my husband and I traveled that road. If you want to talk to me about it in more detail, freepmail me.
That's what the oft forgotten sacrament of Reconciliation is for.
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