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Should Liberals Leave the Catholic Church?
The Boston Globe ^ | March 5, 2006 | Joan Venocchi

Posted on 03/05/2006 5:12:53 AM PST by Jim Noble

THE RED CARDINAL'S hat on its way to Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley sends a clear message to liberal Catholics who still hope the Catholic Church will shift their way: It isn't shifting....

Last week, seven members of the board of Catholic Charities of Boston announced their resignations. They were protesting the effort by Massachusetts bishops to prohibit gays from adopting children from their Catholic social service agencies. The seven who quit said the prohibition ''threatens the very essence of our Christian mission."...

But the Roman Catholic Church, the institution seeking the prohibition, holds a drastically different view.

Church doctrine states that allowing children to be adopted by same-sex couples ''would actually mean doing violence to these children." Gay adoptions are ''gravely immoral."

If you agree with those principles, you are, according to the Vatican, a Catholic in good standing...

If you don't, you're not.

Liberals raised as Catholics refuse to accept this reality. We think we can be prochoice, pro-gay marriage , pro-gay adoption, and in favor of married and female priests and still call ourselves Catholic. The people who make the rules say we don't meet the criteria....

The church in Rome thinks in centuries, not in news cycles. It isn't budging.

Will liberals in America ever get the message?

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholics; cinos; heresy; religiousleft; truth
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To: manwiththehands
These are the same liberal Catholics who were hysterical over the selection of Benedict XIV. They behaved as if this was John Kerry, losing the presidential election all over again. The Catholic Church is not a democracy with a constitution subject to the shifting morals of our modern society. These people just can't get over the fact that the role of the Catholic Church is to preserve the same truth it has for the last 2000 years. Heretics, scandals, and dissension have existed in this church for 2000 years, starting with Judas. These twits will simply be relegated to the 2000 year old ash heap of heretics that the Catholic Church has dutifully maintained in its trail.

"I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18)
41 posted on 03/05/2006 5:59:04 AM PST by motoman
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To: PzLdr

They can join the United church. They have gay ministers, and Lesbo ones too!. Well at least they THINK they are Ministers, they really aren't in God's eyes.


42 posted on 03/05/2006 6:02:46 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: mware; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Kelly_2000; Raquel; NYer
Well, wasn't it Joe Biden who said that he would strangle th next Republican who questioned his faith with his rosary beads.

I think you're right. Just the thought of that statement Biden made violates all common sense to the devotion to the Rosary.

That is where a lot of liberal catholics are today. They don't understand what the faith is all about!

43 posted on 03/05/2006 6:02:59 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Laptop_Ron
"Those two say a lot of things that aren't true."

I'm sorry, I must have forgot the sarcasm tag on my original post ... my bad ;o)
44 posted on 03/05/2006 6:06:14 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: Jim Noble
Will liberals in America ever get the message?

No

45 posted on 03/05/2006 6:07:51 AM PST by A. Pole (nopardons: "Why should I move to Mexico? I have a maid and a platoon of gardeners here.")
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To: manwiththehands
If you don't like the beliefs of a church, leave the church and find one you can agree with.

Unitarian Church is open. They like you as you are.

46 posted on 03/05/2006 6:09:03 AM PST by A. Pole (nopardons: "Why should I move to Mexico? I have a maid and a platoon of gardeners here.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

We're all sinners.

The criteria in question has more to do with whether the sin is being flaunted.

A remarried couple is at least trying to establish something akin to a proper marriage & family; sin complicates things terribly, so we tend (debatable in another thread) to give people a pass so long as they're tring to do right with the broken pieces they have.
A gay/lesbian couple, on the other hand, is NOT living in anything even akin to a proper marriage; there is no "man and wife". Homosexuality is roundly condemnned in both Old and New Testaments. You can't even try to pretend the sin isn't there.

Sure, a strong argument can be made that remarrieds are adulterrers, therefore in sin, and therefore must pull out of that relationship else be ostracized. There's a reason that held for about 1977 years, and the issue remains. Thing is, given this thread/context/question, we can at least grant the remarried couple the benefit of the doubt, that they are trying to do right with the broken pieces they have (still debatable ... and debatable nontheless). Adding children to the equation may not harm them, as the family at least seems normal/right enough.

Those flaunting their sin, their situation being absolutely impossible to reconcile with scripture, are unquestionably unrepentant. Adding children to the equation unavoidably damages the children, as the sin cannot be righted or concealed without outright separation.


48 posted on 03/05/2006 6:21:11 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: motoman
A family member hates George W. Bush. Just hates him. And she's a Catholic. And she voted for Kerry. And you should have seen her anguish when Benedict XIV was named Pope. I believe it was Benedict XIV who said a Catholic commits a mortal sin if they vote for anyone who is pro abortion "rights". I thought her head was going to start spinning around.
49 posted on 03/05/2006 6:23:05 AM PST by manwiththehands
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To: A. Pole

I dated a Unitarian for a while. (she was really cute, OK?) I have to admit the teachings are very seductive and I can understand the appeal.


51 posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:20 AM PST by manwiththehands
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To: thehairinmynose

Sorry ... IT WASN'T MY FAULT! I just cut-and-pasted his name from another post. :-)


52 posted on 03/05/2006 6:26:45 AM PST by manwiththehands
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To: Jim Noble

Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church got infiltrated by regularly old gay supporter types ~ they really gotta' do something about this stuff.


54 posted on 03/05/2006 6:31:55 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Jim Noble
Hey, "Outer Darkness" still exists. Certainly the Master, as you called Him, knew of it, and that some folks are going there ~ in fact, He is in charge of the program at the end isn't He?

Admit it, some people are just lost and there's nothing you can do about it ~ not even quoting Scripture is going to help them.

55 posted on 03/05/2006 6:34:42 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Non-Sequitur

"But the Church teaches that those who divorce and remarry without first obtaining an annulment cannot take communion and their second marriage is not recognized or considered valid."

Then I guess I'm living in a state of sin... I'm sorry, but I believe Jesus wants me to recieve him into my heart "symbolically" every Sunday morning, but also every morning I open my eyes thanking him for another day... The Catholic Church is made up of sinners, and I believe if only those without sin were to recieve the Sacrament of Communion the line down the center aisle of my Church would be empty...


56 posted on 03/05/2006 6:39:41 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: thehairinmynose

"That's Benedict XVI, sir."

That would be my mistake. Never good with those Roman numerals....


57 posted on 03/05/2006 6:40:55 AM PST by motoman
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To: manwiththehands

That sounds like my MIL> Boy, did she go ona rant/bender when sKerry lost -- and another, when Benedict XVI was chosen.


58 posted on 03/05/2006 6:41:35 AM PST by Malacoda (Islam=insane death cult)
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To: Hand em their arse

Have you talked to an advocate in your diocese about an annulment? If you can't get anyone to cooperate and therefore can't proceed in that manner, there is the "other" way, the private way that is not widely publicized by the Church, but still recognized as valid. I should know, because my husband and I traveled that road. If you want to talk to me about it in more detail, freepmail me.


59 posted on 03/05/2006 6:47:33 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: Hand em their arse
I believe if only those without sin were to recieve the Sacrament of Communion the line down the center aisle of my Church would be empty...

That's what the oft forgotten sacrament of Reconciliation is for.

60 posted on 03/05/2006 7:07:55 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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