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Australian firm proposes LNG terminal in ocean off Malibu coast (22 miles offshore)
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/16/06 | Tim Molloy - ap

Posted on 03/16/2006 9:45:10 AM PST by NormsRevenge

In the latest proposal to import liquefied natural gas to California, an Australian company has unveiled plans to place a terminal about 22 miles off the coast of Malibu.

The plan announced Wednesday by Woodside Energy attempts to sidestep fears from environmentalists and some residents that importing natural gas is too dangerous because it is volatile and potentially explosive in its gaseous state.

Woodside wants to ship supercooled LNG from Australian fields to the California coast in specially designed tankers.

But unlike other proposed terminals off the West Coast, the plan doesn't require any large, permanent structures.

Instead of feeding vaporized natural gas into a pipeline at a terminal, the delivery tanker would take in an underwater buoy attached to a flexible pipe leading to a larger pipe along the ocean floor.

The larger pipe would come ashore in an industrial area near Los Angeles International Airport, said Jane Cutter, president of Woodside Natural Gas, a subsidiary of Woodside Energy.

The location of the buoy would not interfere with coastal views, shipping lines, or natural habitat, Cutter said.

Another company using different technology has developed a similar delivery method in the Gulf of Mexico, according to Woodside.

Woodside hopes to begin shipping between 2010 and 2014 and to meet up to 15 percent of the state's natural gas needs.

Environmentalists who have challenged other proposed LNG terminals said Woodside's proposal sounds safer than the others. But they stressed that the state may not need to import LNG at all.

Linda Krop, an attorney representing the Santa Barbara-based California Coastal Protection Network, said the state could gain more energy through conservation, improved efficiency, and focusing on renewable resources like wind, solar, and geothermal energy.

"We can achieve at least three times as much energy through a cleaner, safer approach," said Krop, who is representing the group as chief counsel of the Environmental Defense Center in Santa Barbara.

Environmentalists are pushing for state legislation that would require a review of proposed LNG projects.

Energy companies say shipping LNG from other countries could keep U.S. natural gas prices low as domestic supplies dwindle.

U.S. regulators have approved several coastal LNG terminals in Texas, Louisiana and Massachusetts, but companies have had trouble finding a home on the U.S. Pacific coast.

Mexico has approved two LNG terminals on its Pacific coast, one under construction by Sempra Energy and another by Chevron Corp., though Chevron hasn't begun construction.

Other proposed terminals in California include BHP Billiton's Cabrillo Port project off Malibu; Crystal Energy's proposal off Oxnard; and a Long Beach plan by Mitsubishi Corp. and ConocoPhillips.

In Oregon, there are proposals by Calpine at the Port of Astoria, Northern Star Natural Gas at Bradwood Landing, the Jordan Cove Energy Project at Coos Bay, and Port Westward LNG at Clatskanie.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: australian; california; coast; firm; lng; malibu; proposes; terminal; woodsideenergy
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1 posted on 03/16/2006 9:45:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Here in CT a proposed LNG terminal 11 miles offshore is meeting fierce and futile resistance. Futile because the terminal is in NY state waters... Doesn't stop people from complaining though. Yes, it's 11 miles offshore and they are concerned about terrorism, supposedly. Like the blast radius would be 11 miles.


2 posted on 03/16/2006 9:48:44 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: NormsRevenge
NIMBY - The entertainers will be able to see it using a powerful telescope.
3 posted on 03/16/2006 9:51:41 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Koblenz

Yes, but if they put it 13.1 miles out, it's international waters, IIRC.


4 posted on 03/16/2006 10:04:40 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Koblenz
Actually, when LNG goes back to a gas it expands to several hundred times its liquid volume.

In Cleveland in the 40's an East Ohio Gas storage terminal sprung a leak and the resuling explosion destroyed over 100 square blocks, burned down over 1,000 houses on the east side, and melted over 60 cars.





It can also travel miles through the air before reaching the inevitable spark. A pretty good thriller by Basil Jackson titled "The Night Manhattan Burned" is a page -turner, hehehe.
5 posted on 03/16/2006 10:14:19 AM PST by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: Mike Darancette
It's not really NIMBYism when the entire region, including the entire city of Malibu itself, sits on top of an active earthquake zone that likes to let a big one rip every decade or so. EQ's aren't a hypothetical threat here...it WILL happen, sooner or later. The people of Malibu just don't want one of these ships sitting in their harbor the next time mother nature decides to shake things up. Considering the destructive potential of these ships, I have to say that it's a reasonable fear.

That said, andchoring and offloading the LNG 20+ miles offshore seems like a great compromise.
6 posted on 03/16/2006 10:24:18 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: NormsRevenge

No way. It's Intntl. waters and also, still very visible.

Would ruin Babra Striesand's view.

Move it north to offshore Ventura County...out past the Naval Station at Port Huenme.

Rule of Thumb: Suspect all Australian proposals. It's still a penal colony.


7 posted on 03/16/2006 10:36:01 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Crispus Attucks Patriot

Not a fair comparison to todays technical advancements in storage and safety. Like comparing pictures of the old San Francisco earthquake and subsequent fires that destroyed the city, to today's rebuild of the city with new fire, safety, and construction codes.

I am confident that if you'd analyze the codes such a facility would have to be built with safety concerns would not be as much of an issue.

But just scaring people will stop anything new from taking place.....airplanes, high speed rail, cruise ships with huge numbers of passengers.....and on and on.


8 posted on 03/16/2006 10:37:46 AM PST by Claytonbridge
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To: CBart95

I say the Government should take back all the property from closed coastal bases and use that for LNG terminals, especially in California. Quit giving cities like SF huge bases, then having to clean them up.....instead save them for "the greater good".


9 posted on 03/16/2006 10:40:00 AM PST by Claytonbridge
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To: Claytonbridge

May the Lord save us from whatever people from SF think might be "The Greater Good"!

But we understand how you folks can't help yourselves from playing God.

It's truly amazing how so many folks who know absolutely nothing seem to have all the answers.


10 posted on 03/16/2006 10:58:28 AM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95

"It's truly amazing how so many folks who know absolutely nothing seem to have all the answers."

________

Now that's true. Why do we look to the people who have the problems for the answers?

The Democrats send their best into politics. Republicans send those who have the time.


11 posted on 03/16/2006 11:01:46 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (The Liberals/Media Hate Us Just as Much as They Hate Bush.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The larger pipe would come ashore in an industrial area near Los Angeles International Airport, said Jane Cutter, president of Woodside Natural Gas...

I wonder what "industrial area" they are talking about.

12 posted on 03/16/2006 11:03:56 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: CBart95

Would ruin Babra Striesand's view.

lol .. first thing I thought of too was Babwa&FRiends view going to be effected.

She's probably against a proposed wind mills farms off Cape Cod as well... she could power a couple wind turbines all by her self.

I don't think the potential blast area in a LNG scenario is more than a few miles , I could be wrong.

The special effects in movies probably tends to be a bit misleading and probably not a good basis to calculate why 22 miles and not 6 or 3 ..


13 posted on 03/16/2006 11:43:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
I like it.
14 posted on 03/16/2006 11:45:55 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Arthalion
it WILL happen, sooner or later

My hometown has accepted the certainty that an earthquake will happen here.

Our Class "A" Baseball team is called the Quakes, they play in the Epicenter and the mascots are "Tremor" and "Aftershock".

15 posted on 03/16/2006 11:46:44 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Dead-panned plagarism is my middle name.

I resemble your remarks and will claim to the death that you made them first.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 12:49:11 PM PST by CBart95
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually, according to the South Bay Daily Breeze today, the location is purported to be 27.xx mi. north of Santa Catalina Island in the great deep coastal channel where the supertankers ply their trade.

That way, Babra could see it and so could most everyone along the So. Cal coast. (charming!)

The coastal landfall will probably be El Seguendo at the Chevron refinery there.( hard by the south side of LAX.)


17 posted on 03/16/2006 12:59:24 PM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95
Move it north to offshore Ventura County...out past the Naval Station at Port Huenme.

Or put it on the backside of Catalina Island...

18 posted on 03/16/2006 1:02:22 PM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: rightinthemiddle
"It's truly amazing how so many folks who know absolutely nothing seem to have all the answers."

Yeah. The loudest and most 'authoritative' child rearing Nazis are always people who have no children of their own...

19 posted on 03/16/2006 1:04:31 PM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: null and void

What and ruin the only pristine left in So. Calif.?

Think not.

But , thanks for living up to your screen name.


20 posted on 03/16/2006 1:06:44 PM PST by CBart95
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