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Academia's Royal Rumble--David Horowitz and Ward Churchill go toe-to-toe
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 4-7-06 | M.E. Sprengelmeyer

Posted on 04/07/2006 5:52:04 AM PDT by SJackson

 
 

If people expected to see a bloody clash between a fire-breathing leftist and a ranting right-winger, that was some other monster movie.

Instead, two equally controversial men - liberal University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill and conservative author David Horowitz - put on a genial display of good manners and polysyllabic brilliance Thursday night in a much-hyped debate about ideology in the classroom.

Organizers billed the event on stage at George Washington University as "Academia's Royal Rumble."

The two combatants struck each another with the longest words they could find - many of them so long they would not fit in a standard reporter's notebook.

But the closest thing to a body blow came when Churchill reared back and smacked Horowitz with the line: "It's like you're rowing with one oar, David."

That strike caused trembles of laughter in the crowd. But the rest of the night - and its topic - could not have been more serious.

The night's question: Can politics be taken out of the classroom - and should it be?

Horowitz unleashed the first attack, prefacing it with the remark: "The answer is, yes it should and of course it can."

He then lashed out at the liberal elites he believes have hijacked academia. He denounced women's studies programs as little more than recruiting grounds for "radical feminists." He denounced "social justice" teachings as socialist indoctrination. And he decried classroom mention of "institutional racism" as "the fantasy of the left."

"Whole fields have developed," Horowitz argued. "They are ideological fields. They are not academic fields."

The bottom line about teachers, he said, is "you don't get a lifetime job for expressing an opinion. You get a lifetime job for having an expertise."

It was a clear allusion to Churchill's ongoing fight to keep his tenure at CU in the wake of a top-to-bottom review of his academic credentials that began after he wrote a controversial online essay about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Churchill was widely denounced for the essay, which referred to some people who died at the World Trade Centers as "little Eichmanns" who were complicit in a deadly U.S. foreign policy that inspired the attacks.

A CU committee is investigating alleged research misconduct against Churchill and is expected to conclude its work by May 9.

Churchill spent little time discussing his own case, but said such inquiries into academic standards only seem to happen when someone dares question the status quo or officially sanctioned "predetermined truth."

He said teaching critical thinking requires professors to inject their unique points of view.

"There is no consensus. There is no homogeneity. There is no truth, and that is what the issue here is," he said.

If people think there's a calibrated machine that spits out all the objective, true answers, "This is a myth," he said. "It is a myth that precludes critical thought."

Sensing a conservative bent in the crowd, Churchill tried to turn the tables. He argued that free market principles give students the ability to drop university electives if they don't like a professor's ideology.

Horowitz counterpunched, saying, "Students are a captive audience. You can't just go 'Caveat emptor,' Latin for 'Let the buyer beware.' "

In one colorful exchange, Churchill told a story about being in the eighth grade in Illinois in 1960 and casting a vote for the socialist candidate in a mock presidential election.

"I didn't know what a socialist was," he said. "It just sounded like a cool thing to do."

He said teachers gave him detention for two weeks. "Now that is indoctrination," he said.

Horowitz made the least scholarly attack of the night, saying of Overland High School geography teacher Jay Bennish: "The point here is that teacher is an ignoramus."

Bennish came under fire after a student secretly recorded him calling the United States the most violent nation on earth and comparing some of President Bush's remarks to those of Adolf Hitler.

The student, Sean Allen, sat in the back of the audience, receiving loud applause from the pro-Horowitz part of the crowd.

The audience of more than 200 students was split between Horowitz and Churchill camps and mostly well-behaved.

Afterward, 19-year-old College Republican Michael Keough said he was surprised that Churchill seemed so well-behaved.

"I think he knew the crowd he was playing to," said Keough, a political science and history major at George Washington University.

Christian Wright, the 22-year-old founder of the university's Student International Socialist Organization, was less charitable toward Horowitz.

"I think Horowitz is full of it," he said.

Back and forth

Highlights of debate Thursday night between Ward Churchill and David Horowitz.

Churchill

Addressing conservatives in the crowd: "The idea (that) the almighty federal government, the state, is going to legislate how courses are taught seems to be anti-conservative to me."

Calling for truth in advertising for professors: "The political stance of the instructor should be known. It should be advertised. It should be signaled up front."

On professors: "The purpose of a professor is to profess - not simply to impart information."

Horowitz

Denouncing opinionated teachers: "When a teacher becomes a political advocate in the classroom and inflicts that . . . opinion on students, that violates the student's academic freedom."

Saying educators must stick to objective facts: "If you're applying for a job as a professor of astronomy and in the interview you express your belief in astrology, you might not get that job."

On opinionated teachers: "When you go to the doctor, you don't expect to get an opinion on the war in Iraq. Why should you get it from your English teacher?"



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To: syriacus

From wikipedia

Churchill was born in Elmwood, Illinois and attended Elmwood High School


21 posted on 04/07/2006 6:55:43 AM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: metesky

Hey, I RAN as the socialist candidate in a mock election in junior high. Like Ward, I didn't know what socialism was. I just wanted to be contrarian. Don't recall my teacher saying a word about it. Wisely, she just let it pass. (And I somewhat doubt Churchill's story about being given detention.)


22 posted on 04/07/2006 7:04:06 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Amalie
"I didn't know what a socialist was," he said. "It just sounded like a cool thing to do."

He said teachers gave him detention for two weeks. "Now that is indoctrination," he said. "

He forgot to add, "Afterwards, I remember riding around with Bill Clinton and looking at the burning ruins of black churches."

23 posted on 04/07/2006 7:12:58 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: syriacus

Current information:

Elmwood Junior High School Grades: 7-8
Type: public
Enrollment: 97
301 W Butternut
Elmwood, IL 61529
Peoria County


24 posted on 04/07/2006 7:13:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: metesky
That sounds pretty far-fetched to me.

Fake Indian. Fake stories.

25 posted on 04/07/2006 7:14:07 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: SJackson

My kid's elementary school had a vote in '96.
The teacher divided the class into groups of 4.
The group voted within itself by secret ballot
and reported a tally in public.

Overall, the class had voted for Clinton by
a landslide.

In my kid's group, it was 3 for Clinton, 1 for Bush.
My kid had been the only vote for Bush in his group.

Later in the playground, to my kid's horror,
a different kid, the smallest kid of his group,
was beat up in the playground.

I complained to the teacher very strenuously.

The teacher seemed to agree with me and promised
to re-do the lesson.

A few days later another election was held.

This time, it was different. The votes were secret
and there was no voting by group.

However, the students were required to construct a poster
of a candidate and bring it to class prior to voting.

This time, my kid got the message, brought a poster
of Clinton for President, and voted for Clinton.

The second vote results came in: unanimous for Clinton.

Another victory for public school education!

I am generally skeptical of Churchill's election story.
Teachers may have been biased in the '60s but
I think the intelligence of the average teacher
was a lot higher than it is now. Most intelligent
people know what the motivation for a secret vote
is and the dangers of exposing one's voting preferences
in public at polling time.


26 posted on 04/07/2006 7:23:11 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: syriacus

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Ward%20Churchill%20Article.htm

He was known as "Wardo" in high school, where he struck a clean-cut pose as a student-athlete and letterman at Elmwood Community High School in Elmwood, Ill., a town of 2,100 people 25 miles west of Peoria, where he had lived since he was a small boy


27 posted on 04/07/2006 7:23:30 AM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

"*Christian Wright*, the 22-year-old founder of the university's Student International Socialist Organization, was less charitable toward Horowitz."

This HAS to be a fabricated name. Churchill's a liar, so why wouldn't his followers be?


28 posted on 04/07/2006 7:27:58 AM PDT by FreeManWhoCan (---an American..............)
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To: metesky

Yeah, still the same old Liberal Ward. He'd say anything, lie about anything, do anything as long as there are $$$ at the end of the day. Why anyone would bother debating a proven fraud and liar is beyond me. He should be ignored, to allow him in a public academic forum is an insult. He should be in jail for taking public money fraudulently.


29 posted on 04/07/2006 7:30:58 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: syriacus
Hmmm. So in the eighth grade he took and uninformed position that he admits was based in ignorance because he thought it was cool. It sounds as if his adult character (or lack thereof) was fully developed by age 13.
30 posted on 04/07/2006 8:25:20 AM PDT by marko525
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To: syriacus

Hmmm. So in the eighth grade he took and uninformed position that he admits was based in ignorance because he thought it was cool. It sounds as if his adult character (or lack thereof) was fully developed by age 13.


31 posted on 04/07/2006 8:26:39 AM PDT by marko525 (Never tear down a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place.)
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To: SJackson
My 15 year old son watched part of the Hannity & Colmes show with me last night while they had these two on.

For a kid, he had an observation that made me chuckle.. Speaking of Churchill, he said "...this guy's not even smart enough to be interesting"

Cheers,
Lloyd

32 posted on 04/07/2006 8:39:15 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: FreeManWhoCan
"*Christian Wright*, the 22-year-old founder of the university's Student International Socialist Organization, was less charitable toward Horowitz."

This HAS to be a fabricated name. Churchill's a liar, so why wouldn't his followers be?

Heh. I didn't catch that. Yeah I bet it is. :-)

33 posted on 04/07/2006 9:13:39 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: SJackson
He said teachers gave him detention for two weeks. "Now that is indoctrination," he said.

Bullcookies. This sounds every bit as fabricated as the rest of Wart's personal "history".

34 posted on 04/07/2006 10:40:54 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Melting solder since 1975)
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