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If Minutemen Are Vigilantes, What Do You Call 500,000 Illegal Aliens Demanding Rights?
NewsByUs.com ^ | Apr 10, 2006 | Citizen Conservative

Posted on 04/10/2006 5:52:04 AM PDT by IrishMike

When the Minutemen set up shop at the Arizona border last year to call attention to the illegal alien loophole in US Homeland Security, President Bush foolishly chided these brave patriots by calling them vigilantes. Although chagrined at being deserted by the man who has the constitutional responsibility and authority to defend our borders, the Minutemen dug in their heels and persisted. And persisted.

Their Yankee determination to do the right thing was rewarded when President Bush finally sent additional border patrol agents to Arizona. Even the Mexican government was motivated to pay greater attention, at least temporarily, because of the due diligence of heroic Minutemen.

Before the Minuteman took their courageous stand, open border advocates and anti-American liberals insisted it was “impossible” to stop illegal immigration. Best to just accept reality, learn Spanish, and switch to rice and beans as food stables, according to the leftists and Hispanic racists.

Thank God, the Minutemen PROVED illegal aliens CAN be stopped, thereby delivering a great victory on behalf of all American citizens.

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KEYWORDS: 1912election; agenda; alien; aliens; bush; crimigrants; grifters; illegal; illegalaliens; illegalien; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; immigrationreform; mexico; minutemen; squatterinvaders; yikeswebettershutup
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To: Jeff Head

Travis is an imprudent man who verbally "stepped on his reproductive appendage" once too often.


501 posted on 04/12/2006 6:10:02 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: verity
That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I have a different opinion based on knowing him personally and I have explained it...and posted Matt's own words...on this thread. Folks will have to decide for themsleves.

Jim has made his own decision and this is his site. I respect his right to do so as the owner even if I do not agree with it. I have simply attempted, and will continue to do so when asked, to defend a freind and set the record straight regarding that friend from my own perspective.

502 posted on 04/12/2006 6:17:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Luke21
First, stop using that idiotic and infantile term, "Bushbot" for someone who agrees with 80% of what the President does. Second, NO ONE that I know ever denied that he called the Minutemen "vigilantes"---a big, big mistake on his part.

Second, one can agree with someone on most issues and disagree on a few. That has been the basis of many pro-lifers getting elected by "moderates" over the years, namely that their one disagreement was not as important as, say, the WOT.

Bush's phenomenal strength has been a vision for how to defeat Islamofascism, and his blind spot has been the borders/illegals. No president is perfect. Name me one ELECTABLE candidate who is for 100% deportation and I'll vote for him and, no, it would not be Tancredo nationally.

503 posted on 04/12/2006 7:08:19 AM PDT by LS
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To: Jeff Head
Travis spammed thread after thread after thread with the same graphics, pictures and cartoons. That in itself violates FreeRepublic posting rules. His tagline was a link to his own website. That violates posting rules. His home page was an advertisement for his book. That violates FR rules. He posted obscene personal insults (albeit in Spanish). That violates posting rules. He explained in great detail (over and over again and over again in a repeated spam post) the origin of Quisling and who he thought today's "Quisling's" are (generally people who don't agree with him). And he happily looked forward to the day those "Quislings" would hang from trees.

In short...the guy tipped over the edge. He openly violated rule after rule and basically dared anyone to do anything about it. And now that the owner of this site has enforced his own rules, you think Travis is getting unfair treatment?!? Hardly.

504 posted on 04/12/2006 7:10:45 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
See my post 502. Those, along with my other psots on this thread, are my own feelings on the matter.

We clearly disagree regarding Matt's intentions and his motivations. Others will have to decide for themselves.

505 posted on 04/12/2006 7:20:13 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Rokke
And now that the owner of this site has enforced his own rules, you think Travis is getting unfair treatment?!? Hardly.

So why weren't the rules enforced before?

Could it be because Travis was a resource and commentator with few peers on this forum?

Could it be Travis tangling with Tony Snow last week had more to do with it than the things you mention that were obviously overlooked for a very long time?

506 posted on 04/12/2006 7:25:28 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: papertyger
"So why weren't the rules enforced before?"

It might be because Travis has made some valuable contributions to this site. I used to enjoy his posts. But like I said, the guy tipped over the edge. A quick look at his recent posting history confirms that. He flipped out. He was given every chance to reign himself in. To stop the spamming. To stop the repeated posts about hanging thousands. But he didn't. So regretfully, he was shown the door.

Perhaps the one thing everyone agrees on in the current immigration debate is that our nation's current rules need to be enforced. Even though they haven't been in the past. But the time has long since come. And on this site, so has Travis'.

507 posted on 04/12/2006 7:34:49 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: lmailbvmbipfwedu
Here are the voter registration requirements for all 50 states. link

Last time I moved, I registered with a utility bill that proved I lived at a given address and signed a form that "affirmed" I was a US citizen. No actual proof was required.

When I voted, I verbally gave my name and they confirmed that name was on the precinct list.

508 posted on 04/12/2006 7:39:29 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: 30-06 Springfield
Thank you for your post and for pinging me.

Are we in fact becoming a nation of lemmings who will blindly follow someone who merely wears the banner of conservative?

Good question.

509 posted on 04/12/2006 7:42:26 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: IamConservative
Here is a link to the Texas voter registration form. You can vote with a utility bill in Texas. link
510 posted on 04/12/2006 7:44:46 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: Rokke
Travis is a military man. It formed who he is, and how he deals with the world. That's what made him valuable to this forum.

Throwing him under the bus now for not observing the rules of polite conversation, particularly after he was given a defacto dispensation for so long, is as repugnant, dishonorable, and doctrinaire as Eleanor Roosevelt trying to keep WW2 vets from coming back home.

If you are going to legislate, recruit, educate, and order particular men to be executioners, you can't complain when they openly advocate capital punishment, nor refuse to blanch at its prospect.
511 posted on 04/12/2006 7:52:14 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Hoodlum91

Bump ... I can imagine RAGE being the primary emotion brought forth


512 posted on 04/12/2006 7:59:54 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: papertyger
"Travis is a military man. It formed who he is, and how he deals with the world. That's what made him valuable to this forum."

This forum is full of military men. Some who are still serving. That does not excuse Travis' recent posting history and his active violation of almost every posting rule listed. Above all, military men learn how to achieve an objective while adhering to specific rules of engagement. When they don't, they know the consequences. There is no rule on FreeRepublic that says conversation must be polite, and Travis' posts went a LONG way beyond polite conversation. For the most part, they weren't even conversation at all. They were nothing but spam.

Your concluding statement strongly indicates you have never served in the military. Our military is trained to kill, not execute. And hanging men from trees is called "lynching". Not "capital punishment". Big difference.

513 posted on 04/12/2006 8:05:21 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rebelbase

thank you, Rebelbase.


514 posted on 04/12/2006 8:10:30 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Rokke
This forum is full of military men. Some who are still serving. That does not excuse Travis' recent posting history and his active violation of almost every posting rule listed. Above all, military men learn how to achieve an objective while adhering to specific rules of engagement

Oh yea I get it you mean like General William T. Sherman USA. Yes his march to the sea was very civilized indeed...../sarcasm

515 posted on 04/12/2006 8:45:56 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
Good morning.

Jim, I too would like to join JH in asking ask you to reconsider Travis McGee's banning/suspension. I believe I know which post did it, but there isn't much that is going to turn the heat down on this issue. Banning T McG certainly won't. In fact, it already looks like it just added fuel to the fire.

Michael Frazier
516 posted on 04/12/2006 8:53:15 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Rokke
This forum is full of military men. Some who are still serving.

Virtually none of which having the accomplishments he has achieved. He is an effective communicator, and a competent analyst, all in the context of someone who has "been there, and done that."

That does not excuse Travis' recent posting history and his active violation of almost every posting rule listed.

No, but his long time posting history does. I've been here long enough to know he hasn't posted anything here that wasn't posted before without repercussion.

The only irregularity I can see is the Tony Snow dust-up, last week. (And for the record, I don't agree with Travis on that point. I think Tony Snow's membership in the CFR is as significant as belonging to a Masonic Lodge.)

If his history does not excuse his recent performance, then neither does other past cooperation excuse current intransigence, and I'm not talking about posters, either.

Goodwill is NOT a one way concept for a party that wishes to stay in power.

Above all, military men learn how to achieve an objective while adhering to specific rules of engagement.

Wrong. Above all is "the objective." The rest is a dog and pony show. If one officer can not achieve the objective under the rules of engagement, he will be replaced by one that can circumvent those rules more effectively.

Wars are not fought by "outhouse attorneys," but they are sometimes lost by them.

Your concluding statement strongly indicates you have never served in the military. Our military is trained to kill, not execute. And hanging men from trees is called "lynching". Not "capital punishment". Big difference.

Your concluding statement strongly indicates questionable understanding. It was an analogy. The point of which was if you want a job done, but can't do it for yourself, leave the man that can do it to do it.

There is little more noxious than people trying to simultaneously give orders and ask for help.

As for your nuanced appreciation of "capital punishment" as opposed to "lynching" in the context of an actual civil war, I can only ask "Are you a journalist?"

517 posted on 04/12/2006 9:26:22 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: brazzaville; Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
You stated: "Jim, I too would like to join JH in asking ask you to reconsider Travis McGee's banning/suspension."

Jim, you can add my name to that list. I have had major disagreements with Travis and he has always been a gentleman in stating his position. He has always provided facts to support his conclusions and been willing to listen to another point of view. There has never been any evidence of holding a grudge or personal vendetta. He has never resorted to personal attacks.

After your rant on McCain, it looks like a little morale equivalence on your part.

I'm worried that you are packing water for someone. I hope not.

I will put my thoughts together and post them later.

:)Easy Does It:)

518 posted on 04/12/2006 9:38:51 AM PDT by eazdzit (Vote AGAINST All CFR, NWO PuboCrats !! CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!!)
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To: nicmarlo
Have you seen this thread? Look where it's been hidden. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1613781/posts

call us wetbacks or beaners que son puros ruidos you can't calm us down you can't keep us quiet you pass H.R. 4437 I swear to god we will riot. we may be humble we may be poor but go against our people we won't hesitate to start civil war. we may not have papers but we still pay our taxes without our feria the pinche U.S collapses! I call out to mi gente to stick up for the brown, you ain't kicking us out, we're sticking around!!!

THEY are advocating civil war. We are silenced when confronting the issue.

519 posted on 04/12/2006 9:51:44 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown
THEY are advocating civil war. We are silenced when confronting the issue.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense doesn't it brilliant move if you ask me /s

520 posted on 04/12/2006 10:17:58 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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