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To: cogitator
But CO2 is the constituent in the atmosphere with an important property; it is the most prevalent atmospheric gas for which a change in its concentration will affect Earth's radiative balance.

How? Models that show an increase in water vapor coming from the increase in CO2. The slight (very slight relative to other gases) warming from CO2 allows the atmosphere to hold more water vapor. This much more potent GH gas then causes further warming. The problem with those models is the assumption that clouds can be described with a single parameter ignoring or trivializing the effect that the increased water vapor has on the weather.

So to say that CO2 changes the radiative balance contains several assumptions and a huge simplification that doesn't bear out in reality. Again today there are lenticular clouds leftover from overnight convection. Those affect the temperature and climate. They do not have to be modeled accurately for my particular area, but they must be modeled somehow since water vapor will create more convection and more of those effects (clouds near the top of the troposphere). But they are not modeled except in aggregate and ultimately arbitrary parameters.

16 posted on 04/15/2006 6:20:50 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer
How? Models that show an increase in water vapor coming from the increase in CO2. The slight (very slight relative to other gases) warming from CO2 allows the atmosphere to hold more water vapor. This much more potent GH gas then causes further warming. The problem with those models is the assumption that clouds can be described with a single parameter ignoring or trivializing the effect that the increased water vapor has on the weather.

Sorry for the long Easter weekend delay.

Clouds and aerosol effects are the single largest source of uncertainty in global warming predictions/projections. And there's no doubt about that (insert Mona Lisa smiley here)

17 posted on 04/17/2006 12:35:37 PM PDT by cogitator
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