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ARCHAEOLOGY: New Carbon Dates Support Revised History of Ancient Mediterranean
Science Magazine ^ | 4/28/2006 | Michael Balter

Posted on 04/27/2006 4:59:30 PM PDT by Lessismore

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To: vaudine; pogo101
I would love to have her carbon dated. Wonder what era they would find she lived in?

I read the implications of the title a little differently. I figured boyfriend Helen could get was a charcoal briquette, hence "New carbon dates."

41 posted on 04/28/2006 6:39:10 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: vaudine; pogo101
Bad edit job: "I figured boyfriend Helen..." should read, "I figured the only boyfriend Helen..."

Time to get more coffee.

42 posted on 04/28/2006 6:41:21 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Lessismore

I wonder how accurate radiocarbon dating is in a situation involving a volcanic eruption. Perhaps the percentage of radioactive material spewed out impacts the readings in some way, although one would think more radioactive material would result in a younger date.


43 posted on 04/28/2006 6:42:59 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

How does this Hyksos dating correspond to the reconstructed dating by Velikovsky?

Just curious.


44 posted on 04/28/2006 8:09:13 AM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Argus

Illegal aliens.


45 posted on 04/28/2006 8:15:33 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Havoc

I was not suggesting that there was any surface magma event. If there was such a phenomenon it would have been hundreds or perhaps thousands of feet beneath the surface of the earth. The bulge at the Japanese volcano I mentioned raised the earth several hundred feet, and you could still see the trees and the roads in the pictures that accompanied the article. As I said before, I think it was Usu, try looking for it. "Natural" phonemenon do not diminish God, they glorify Him.


46 posted on 04/28/2006 9:27:41 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv

Archeological reports that I have encountered several times indicate there was earthquake/volcanic disturbance of a less serious nature than the final cataclysm, which nevertheless was sufficient to encourage the populace of Santorini/Thera to move away before the big one, and occurred about 20 years earlier. I can't remember the specific sources, as I became interested in this subject 6 years ago, and a lot of material has passed before my eyes since then.


47 posted on 04/28/2006 9:31:58 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Sure they do. Any thing that can explain God out of the picture glorifies him. Right. And I suppose Giving Clinton Credit for Reagan's job would glorify Reagan?


48 posted on 04/28/2006 9:35:53 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: maine-iac7
... I snorted Coke on my monitor ...

Drug references will get you banned.

49 posted on 04/28/2006 9:38:56 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Prost1

Depends on whether the Exodus is attributed to the supposed eruption. Even in that case, it would depend on each claim/author. :')


50 posted on 04/28/2006 10:08:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin
"Archeological reports that I have encountered several times indicate there was earthquake/volcanic disturbance of a less serious nature than the final cataclysm, which nevertheless was sufficient to encourage the populace of Santorini/Thera to move away before the big one, and occurred about 20 years earlier."
I've never heard of that (other than in your posts). The island was apparently abandoned prior to an eruption, as no human remains were found, and (if true) that's likely to have been the result of rumbling and steam and gases in the caldera (which is prehistoric, formed 22,000 years ago, not in the13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, or 17th c BC). In Italy, the Bay of Naples, there was a severe earthquake 17 years prior to the eruption of Vesuvius, the repairs for which were still going on when the famous eruption took place in 79 AD, so perhaps you're thinking of that.

Herodotus wrote quite a bit about the island, and never mentions any eruption -- which makes perfect sense, since the eruption took place long after Herodotus wrote about the island. The super-eruption that ended the Minoan era actually took place in the mind of someone writing in the 1930s, rather than reality, and through repetition has gained a sort of near-consensus status.

Eberhard Zannger (geoarchaeologist) has studied sites on Crete and elsewhere in the Aegean, and has found zero evidence for giant wave destruction in ancient sites. Everything is in quite good shape, except of course that the sites were destroyed by fire, i.o.w., sacked by invaders. In addition, he points out, had the caldera formed in a super duper blast of a volcano, the collapse of the caldera which is claimed as the cause of the tsunami, would have delivered the strongest blow to eastern, mainland Greece (and various Aegean Islands in the way), and not toward Crete.

That doesn't mean there was a tsunami in Greece, either -- again there is no sign of that -- it means that the Mycenaean civilization should have felt the hardest blow had the eruption happened. Instead, the Minoan sites are burned (by the Mycenaeans) and Mycenaean (Greek) culture and polity is spread out over former Minoan areas. And the Mycenaean artifacts show up in the western Mediterranean as well.
Addenda and Corrections to "The Exodus Chronicles"
by Marianne Luban
Recently, in relation to his ongoing excavation at Tell el Daba, which he believes to be the site of ancient Avaris, Manfred Bietak has rescinded his former assertion that the stratum in which Minoan artifacts, decorations and volcanic pumice were discovered belongs to the time of the pharaoh, Ahmose I. Bietak now concludes this stratum can be assigned to the reign of Thutmose III, instead. Bietak also dates the eruption of Thera to ca. 1500 BCE, in light of his new theory, and takes issue with those who place the cataclysmic event to about 130 years earlier. In brief, Bietak now wishes to eliminate any chronological problems connected with his newer theory. Even if he is correct and there was no volcanic blast in the Aegean at the time of King Ahmose, there still remains the unaccountably bad weather and flooding during his reign, as recorded by himself.

And then there is the interesting premise of the Thera volcano devastation while a "Tethmosis" was pharaoh, two disasters having then occurred within a half century--or less.
Helmi, Ezbet
Formerly called Tell el-Qirqafa. Amsterdam University survey of 1984 noted the presence of a quartzite block in the village, measuring 100 x (75+) x 17cm, pierced by a central square shaft. This site was probably the location of the Djadu of the 12th dynasty, found by Labib Habachi. Now the site is the focus of a major excavation by the Austrian Institute, working under cultivated fields some 800 metres west of their excavations at Tell ed-Daba. Major discoveries include Minoan wall paintings, an Eighteenth Dynasty palace, a Hyksos palace and water-supply system.

51 posted on 04/28/2006 10:31:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ZULU

A volcanic eruption produces very, very little C14, it is enriched in C12 compared with living sources; so the volcano skews dates older, even in living things (or formerly living things, such as the old olive tree found buried by an eruption, but formerly growing in volcanic soil).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1622847/posts?page=26#26


52 posted on 04/28/2006 10:37:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

So this could have skewered the readings in this case?


53 posted on 04/28/2006 11:16:47 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Gumlegs
I wrote: ... I snorted Coke on my monitor ...

to which you answered: Drug references will get you banned

Since you didn't "smile", I assume you are serious. Geezum - Sorry - I'm a great-grandmother - and a 'cokaholic" like in Coca Cola - so I don't think in your vernacular.

Want one of my "chill pills?" - Made from "weed"? That would Valerian - grows in the fields - stinks like gym socks, but is a natural antidepressant.

Will that also get me banned?

54 posted on 04/28/2006 12:27:32 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time," Lincoln)
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To: vaudine
LOL. I would love to have her carbon dated. Wonder what era they would find she lived in?

My guess - Mesozoic.

55 posted on 04/28/2006 12:30:10 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Havoc

divine intervention or not, some of us are interested in the nuts and bolts of HOW things get done rather than simply stopping all thought as soon as divine intervention is claimed. WHY did the red sea part - did god alter gravity locally to move water or was there a geological event (divine or not) which caused the area to drain?

if humans were created by divinity then you would assume if we weren't supposed to use our heads and wonder about these things the programmer would have not included this ability, unless of course it was expected that some of his minions on earth would actively work to suppress such tendencies in others.


56 posted on 04/28/2006 1:32:29 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: maine-iac7
I post deadpan.


57 posted on 04/28/2006 3:19:26 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: ZULU

Yes, and not just in this case. :')


58 posted on 04/29/2006 12:15:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lessismore

I just love revised history. It's the best kind.


59 posted on 04/29/2006 12:16:44 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SunkenCiv

"The eruption took place long after Herodotus wrote about the island."

Actually, concerning the date proposed for the eruption as 1628 BC +-, and the life of Herodotus being 450 BC +-, this would mean that the eruption took place long BEFORE Herodotus wrote about the island. In fact almost 1,200 years before, which means Herodotus might not even have been aware of the event it was so much earlier than his time. There is much interesting information, photos and artwork shown at serches for Akrotiri/Santorini/Thera, that covers some of the controversy, as well as the many beautiful traces that were buried by the earthquake, and later eruption.


60 posted on 04/29/2006 11:58:27 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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