[ForGod'sSake]

Rebuttal and Counter-Rebuttal to this article.

What appears to be a companion article:

Scientist: Comets Blasted Early Americans

Also, the most recent date of global disruption(Pleistocene - Holocene) was not lost on George Howard who has been studying the Carolina Bays' formation for 20+ years: Is this event connected with the Carolina Bays?

IOW, the culprit that formed to Carolina Bays may have also been the Pleistocene/Holocene event.

One interesting side note(that may or may not be relevent): The Great Lakes area is roughly the extrapolated source(the point of origin) of the axes of the Carolina Bays.

[ForGod'sSake]

~FYI~

[AntiGuv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks ForGod'sSake. Definitely a fringe topic, and I kinda love those. Will appear in the Digest 106 under "Oh So Mysteriouso".

This is also a Catastrophism topic, so that list gets a ping as well.

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[Brad from Tennessee]

Scientific American had a paper a year or so ago about natural nuclear reactors I think in what is now Turkey. These burned out thousands of years ago but existed because uranium and some other element occurred in the same geology close together and formed a pile.

[Brad from Tennessee]

There's a number of links on these "natural reactors." Here's the briefest one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor

[sourcery]

A little radiation never hurt anybody...

[MadJack]

Wow. For a few minutes it felt like I was reading Emmanuel Velakovsky again to please my geology teacher.
Now I have to lay down for awhile.

[Pontiac]

Bump for later.

[Renfield]

That Carolina Bay article is so full of errors and misconceptions, that it is hardly worth taking seriously. I won't address all of them, but here are a few points to consider:
Although the Bay Rims date from the Pleistocene-holocene boundary, the bays themselves do not. They are contemporaneous with the fluviomarine terraces upon which they occur, and therefore, were not all formed at once, but sequentially; as sea level dropped and each new terrace was exposed, new bays were formed. The arrangement of bays on the landscape is not random; The largest bays on each terrace are concentrated just below the toe of the landward scarp, and average bay size decreases seaward along each terrace. That pattern repeats on each terrace. The phenomenon is CLEARLY hydrologic in nature, and is not related to cataclysm.

I had not heard of Douglas A. Johnson, but I came to conclusions similar to his after 11 years of mapping soils in Carolina Bays in northeastern South Carolina. Howard conveniently overlooks work done in Charleston County, South Carolina (forgive me, I can't cite the literature at the moment, but I could look it up) showing that large bays overlay infilled river channels (incisions that were refilled during a marine transgression). He also neglects the probability that any heat source sufficient to cause explosive vaporization of soil or shallow water would also probably have produced fused glass on the soil surface (the soils in the area having mostly quartz sand in the surface layer). In years of intensive field examination of soil surfaces in the area, I never once found fused glass, and I am not aware that any soil micromorphologists have found shocked quartz in surface layers from the Pee Dee.

Finally, people who plot the long axes of Carolina Bays, and look toward Michigan, are looking in the wrong direction. The bays all point DOWNHILL, i.e., seaward. They are all pointing in the direction that water travels!

[6SJ7]

The enormous energy released by the catastrophe at 12,500 yr B.P. could have heated the atmosphere to over 1000°C over Michigan, and the neutron flux at more northern locations would have melted considerable glacial ice. Radiation effects on plants and animals exposed to the cosmic rays would have been lethal, comparable to being irradiated in a 5-megawatt reactor more than 100 seconds.

I thought Al Gore said global warming was going to destroy Earth.

[TheBattman]

I sure am glad I have this nifty new tinfoil hat to protect me from any more of this cataclysmic nuke action from outer space.....

[RichInOC]

IN 2101 B.C....
WAR WAS BEGINNING.

[norton]

bump for later

[null and void]

Obviously space aliens...

[raygun]

Space boom!

[Heatseeker]

So paleoindian lithic industries are Mousterian now? I doubt it; the Mousterian is mostly associated with Homo Neanderthalensis.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Info fer the geology class.

[airborne]

Does this mean carbon dating may be flawed?

[tet68]

Neutron Flux, ick, I hate that stuff, it's so hard to get off.