Posted on 08/25/2006 3:11:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
In Canada and most other liberal countries capital punishment is outlawed and usually opposed by a healthy majority of the population. That is all well and good. I too oppose capital punishment in those nations where the penal system is sufficient to keep dangerous criminals out of harms way.
However, many of these so-called liberal countries, accept abortion, and most began their acceptance of abortion with accepting abortion in the hard cases of rape and incest.
However, in a civilized country we punish the guilty and not the innocent. So why are we suggesting capital punishment for the innocent unborn child rather than the guilty rapist?
We do not usually suggest criminal penalty for the children of those who commit crimes so why are we suggesting capital punishment for the child of the rapist?
Secondly, abortion is harmful to the women that undergo it. Childbirth is a natural function that women's bodies were made for. Abortion is not. Abortion is a traumatic event psychologically, emotionally, spiritually and physically.
Why are we giving more trauma to the victim of rape by encouraging her to abort her child?
Carrying such a child to term has been for many women a help in coming to grips with the abuse they suffered. Many victims of rape and children born of such attacks have testified to these truths.
For more information on the harmful effects of abortion on women we suggest contacting Silent No More Awareness Campaign.
We cannot have laws that allow murder because of what you, or even a majority, believe or do not believe.
If the baby dies in the course of a procedure that attempts to save the life of the mother, it is not even called abortion.
But only laws that are moral are to be obeyed.
The government that allows abortion ends up delegitimizing itself.
Any abortion absolutely should be a legal homicide.
As with any homicide, there is a range of charges that can be leveled: Murder, Manslaughter, Negligent & Justifiable homicide.
For each of these there is a range of penalties: capital, life imprisonment, multi-year sentence, no sentence.
The only justifications of homicide that I know of are self-defense, insanity, and accident. (War, too, but that's not under consideration here.)
I would consider abortion after a violent rape to be justifiable homicide with no penalty attached. I would place in in some form of self-defense justification.
"I don't believe that anyone can force a woman to give birth to a child conceived by rape.....yet. I know there are some who would do just that if they could manage to get a law passed."
Yes. Forcing someone to protect life would be the likely outcome. Society already forces society to protect life; why do you separate the innocent baby from the rest?
You didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway: NO. I'm betting I've had more experience with the two issues than most of my fellow freepers.
You may be confusing Plan-B (or Preven), the "morning after pills" with RU-486, which is called "the abortion pill." RU-486 can be used at almost any time during pregnancy and induces miscarriage, ie abortion. The morning after pill works by preventing either fertilization or implantation of the zygote, just as a large dose of birth control pills would. There is a short window of 24-76 hours for its use. But once pregnancy technically begins, the morning after pill doesn't "work".
Thanks for your response, comebacknewt. Would you also feel the same way if it was a child who was impregnated from a rape? I can't even imagine how traumatizing it would be for a child....to be raped and also be told she had to bear a child from the rape.
The pro-life groups would be happy to have abortions pronounced illegal with that exception, for exactly that reason. We know the odds of a rape/pregnancy are nearly impossible.
Hopefully a woman impregnated because of a rape will be given the Plan B pills immediately as a precautionary measure. That thought occurred to me a few minutes ago. A woman/child no longer has to wait for weeks or months to find out that they are in fact pregnant. So actually, the issue of rape victims having to bear children should become a non-issue thanks to this medical technology.
It is not my belief that killing an embryo is murder. It is a fact ascertained through reason.
The laws that saction abortion can be ignored. For example, people guilty of abortion cannot be treated like innocent people because the law protected them. They are oj simpsons, if you know what I mean. Besides, we do have situations where US citizens are coerced into abeying pro-abort laws. For example, in some states a pharmacist may not refuse to dispense abortifacients.
Agreed. That said, I didn't say that's where the pro-lifer's would stop. They would still push for the whole enchilada, even if that law did ever get passed. And I'm one of those pro-lifer's. I'll simply accept the 95% for a good start. Past that is an argument for another day.
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