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Marines plan to recall some battalions
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | October 18, 2006 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 10/20/2006 10:44:30 PM PDT by neverdem

AP MILITARY WRITER

WASHINGTON -- The Marines are drawing up plans to send back to Iraq at least some reserve combat battalions that have already served one tour there, officials said Wednesday - the first time such units would be returned to the war.

The plan to remobilize those reserve forces is designed to relieve some of the growing strain on active-duty Marines.

A Marine Corps spokesman, Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld gave the Marines the go-ahead to conduct detailed planning on how the battalion reactivations would be done. Initially, Fazekas said Rumsfeld had approved the plan itself. Later he said the approval was for detailed planning.

Eric Ruff, a spokesman for Rumsfeld, said Wednesday evening that no specific proposals have been presented to Rumsfeld. "The Marines are reviewing a range of options and concepts for future consideration by the secretary and, to date, nothing has been approved," Ruff said.

The Army, which is organized differently than the Marine Corps, has not sent any of its National Guard combat brigades back to Iraq for a second tour, although it is considering making more use of the Guard. Both the Marines and Army have sent reserve support units and active-duty forces to Iraq multiple times.

The return of Marine Reserve combat battalions to Iraq would begin in 2008, according to a senior Marine officer who discussed the subject on condition he not be identified because no official announcement has been made. Thus, the first picked to go back probably would be remobilized next year to train for the mission.

The plan, put forward by Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, could be modified as the situation in Iraq changes, officials said. For planning purposes, the Marines are working out future force rotations that would include at least one Reserve combat battalion starting in 2008.

The Marines have decided to take this unusual step in order to alleviate a problem that both the Marines and the Army are wrestling with as the Iraq war rages on unabated: wear-and-tear on the active-duty troops, who are getting far less time at home to recuperate and retrain than military leaders would like.

The short respites between combat tours are not only a morale issue but also an obstacle to providing soldiers and Marines with sufficiently varied training and adequate time to attend professional development schools.

The Marines, for example, are not doing as much training for large-scale, high-intensity combat - combining their air, land and sea forces - as they normally would do, officials said. They do, however, have the time to do high-intensity combat training on a smaller scale, in addition to counterinsurgency training for Iraq missions.

The Marines have 24 active-duty combat battalions. At any given time, nine of them are in Iraq.

To increase the amount of time between deployments, the Marines have decided to make more use of their reserve combat battalions, of which there are nine. The main restriction the Marine Corps faces is a 24-month limit on the amount of time a reservist can be mobilized, so those who were on active duty for more than 12 months the first time will not be remobilized, since the planned mobilizations would be for 12 months, Fazekas said.

The Marine plan does not represent a change in the 24-month policy, which is set by the partial mobilization order signed by President Bush in 2001. It pertains to deployments for Iraq, Afghanistan and other places deemed part of the global war on terrorism.

Marine battalions typically serve seven-month tours in Iraq. Marine Reserve units are mobilized for 12 months, to include pre-deployment training, seven months in Iraq and then a period of demobilization.

The Marines have not yet decided which of the nine Marine Reserve battalions would be the first to be recalled for another tour in Iraq, Fazekas said.

He said officials would examine which battalion is best prepared for a second combat tour, based on the number of Marine reserves in its ranks who are still eligible for mobilization, the condition of the unit's equipment, the state of its training and other factors.

The last of the nine Marine Reserve combat battalions to serve in Iraq is the 1st Battalion, 24th Marines, based in Michigan and Ohio. The battalion is operating in the Fallujah area in western Anbar province.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: marinecorps; marines; usmc
The Marines have 24 active-duty combat battalions. At any given time, nine of them are in Iraq.

Does that imply that the active duty Marine Corps has just 24 infantry battalions?

1 posted on 10/20/2006 10:44:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem; M Kehoe; Jeff Head
"...The return of Marine Reserve combat battalions to Iraq would begin in 2008, according to a senior Marine officer who discussed the subject on condition he not be identified because no official announcement has been made. Thus, the first picked to go back probably would be remobilized next year to train for the mission.

The plan, put forward by Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, could be modified as the situation in Iraq changes, officials said. For planning purposes, the Marines are working out future force rotations that would include at least one Reserve combat battalion starting in 2008.

If it happens in 2007, it would be called a 'build-up'. So why talk about 2008 now? Unless Allied troops moving towards Al Basrah today is important...............FRegards

2 posted on 10/21/2006 12:56:27 AM PDT by gonzo (.........Good grief!...I'm as confused as a baby in a topless club!.........)
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To: 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; AlaskaErik; ...

Ping


4 posted on 10/21/2006 4:48:44 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: neverdem

Classical gobbledygook.

"The plan to remobilize those reserve forces is designed to relieve some of the growing strain on active-duty Marines."

Says who? No attribution. This is the propagandist's opinion, nothing more.

"The Marines have decided to take this unusual step in order to alleviate a problem that both the Marines and the Army are wrestling with as the Iraq war rages on unabated: wear-and-tear on the active-duty troops, who are getting far less time at home to recuperate and retrain than military leaders would like."

Source? Again, no attribution.

"The Marines, for example, are not doing as much training for large-scale, high-intensity combat - combining their air, land and sea forces - as they normally would do, officials said. They do, however, have the time to do high-intensity combat training on a smaller scale, in addition to counterinsurgency training for Iraq missions."

What "officials?" He started with an unnamed Marine officer who suddenly grew into "officials said."

"He said officials would examine..."

Which "he?" What "officials?"

This kind of sloppy reporting wouldn't make it past the teacher in a high school journalism class.

Grade - F


5 posted on 10/21/2006 5:47:11 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: gonzo
Good morning. You sure have been busy.

This Ahmedinanutjob guy says he speaks for God. It would be hilarious if he didn't want a nuke so bad. Just like the little ronery dog eating mutant chia pet in N. Korea. Plus, we got to kill more terrorists in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Did I forget to mention that Castro wannabe in Venezuela?

So much to do, so little time.

5.56mm

6 posted on 10/21/2006 5:59:28 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: sergeantdave; neverdem; freema
Post #5. I echo your conclusions. The liberal author's statements are quite vague and biased to say the least.
They collectively have reached the line where fiction/fantasy becomes a reality. As far the plans so loosely devulged here, this is nothing new. We had articles posted quite a few months back on the plans the Marines where investigating to redeploy various units comprised of active duty reserves.
7 posted on 10/21/2006 4:15:24 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: neverdem

D R A F T


8 posted on 10/21/2006 4:16:18 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: AKSurprise
"....I'll have to ask him where he was stationed, I know that his batallion was moving around a lot..."

Remember, 'Loose-lips and all...'..............FRegards

9 posted on 10/21/2006 4:50:05 PM PDT by gonzo (.........Good grief!...I'm as confused as a baby in a topless club!.........)
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To: M Kehoe; Jim Robinson
"...Good morning. You sure have been busy..."

Jes' tryin' ta keep the conversation lively...

I see our Secretary of State has visited the Chinese, NK-chia-pet is apologizing for his nukes, and she's on her way to Russia now!

Oh, and the Israeli-hizbollweevil thingy is heating up again.

Are the ducks in a row yet? Stay well armed and safe.........FRegards

10 posted on 10/21/2006 5:03:36 PM PDT by gonzo (.........Good grief!...I'm as confused as a baby in a topless club!.........)
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To: neverdem
Does that imply that the active duty Marine Corps has just 24 infantry battalions?

Yes, and that's correct. Three battalions per regiment, three regiments per division, three divisions. That would total 27, except 3rd MarDiv has only two regiments rather than three, giving a total of 24 active-duty infantry battalions. 9th Marines were deactivated in the early '90's, and essentially replaced by three LAV battalions.

That count of 24 omits reconnaissance battalions, which some might count as infantry as well, artillery, engineers, LAV's, anti-tank, etc. And all the reservists. Btw, all of this is extremely public information.

11 posted on 10/23/2006 9:32:48 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
Three battalions per regiment, three regiments per division, three divisions.
Good things come in threes. Semper Fi ...
12 posted on 10/23/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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