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History buff searches for Lost Colony[Roanoke]
The News & Observer ^ | 25 Oct 2006 | Catherine Clabby

Posted on 10/25/2006 9:13:12 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman

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1 posted on 10/25/2006 9:13:16 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman
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I'm always fascinated by that. One of the great things about North America (most of it that is) is that it was settled by the English, with their strong civil and increasingly democratic traditions.

If one looks at the sh*thole countries of Mexico on south, or even the French parts of Canada or Louisiana, one sees how different history could have been.


2 posted on 10/25/2006 9:19:22 PM PDT by JBGUSA (If it's us or them, I choose us.)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
We've visited the area often; a beautiful place "today" and where Andy Griffith got his start.

I've always had a bit of a pet peeve with "The Lost Colony" though. Most of us were taught that it was the first European colony in the New World, but it was established in 1587. The French had established a fort and colony on the St. Johns River in 1564 followed by the Spanish establishing St. Augustine in 1565. By the time the first "English" settlers were mysteriously disappearing, St. Augustine was a thriving town; 42 years before Jamestown and 55 years before the pilgrims landed.

3 posted on 10/25/2006 9:22:56 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: FLOutdoorsman
No one knows where they went

Local folks have a pretty good idea of where they went. The colony was more or less abandoned and survivors went native. Many of the local Indians have had surnames from the colony's roster and there were individuals among them that looked like Englishmen according to Jamestownians. Dare is a big name among the local Indian derivatives.

4 posted on 10/25/2006 9:22:58 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: blam

This may be too recent in history for a GGG ping, but I'm pinging you anyway.


5 posted on 10/25/2006 9:25:46 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: CWOJackson

I never heard "first European Colony" and I lived in southeast Virginia and went to school and history classes there. I always heard that it was the first English permanent settlement. The same history books had Spaniards in Georgia already.


6 posted on 10/25/2006 9:26:02 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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It wasn't the first English permanent settlement...it mysteriously disappeared. The first title goes to Jamestown.


7 posted on 10/25/2006 9:28:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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Most of us were taught that it was the first European colony in the New World, but it was established in 1587.

No, most of us were taught that it was the first English colony in the New World and that is correct along with Virginia Dare being the first English baby born in North America.

8 posted on 10/25/2006 9:29:05 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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At the same time, were you taught about the French and Spanish in Florida and their timeline relationship to the failed Lost Colony?


9 posted on 10/25/2006 9:30:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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It wasn't the first English permanent settlement...it mysteriously disappeared. The first title goes to Jamestown.

It was the first attempt at a permanent settlement. The previous settlements of people "wintering over" were just for exploration -- they never meant to stay permanently. Roanoke was meant to be permanent even though it failed.

10 posted on 10/25/2006 9:32:16 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CWOJackson
At the same time, were you taught about the French and Spanish in Florida and their timeline relationship to the failed Lost Colony?

Yes. But I grew up in North Carolina, so maybe they attempted to get that part of the history right more than other states might have.

11 posted on 10/25/2006 9:33:56 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Can you jog my memory?

What was that word that they found carved in the tree?


12 posted on 10/25/2006 9:35:50 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: FreedomCalls

Spent four years in Elizabeth City myself...lovely place. It was there that our oldest son was told in school that Roanoke was the first attempt to form a colony; there were no qualifications in the school book about nationality. This was a few years back so I'm sure things have changed.


13 posted on 10/25/2006 9:37:09 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: guinnessman

Croatoa or something like that.


14 posted on 10/25/2006 9:37:43 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: arthurus
"Dare is a big name among the local Indian derivatives."

Isn't there some sort of DNA confirmation amongst the natives?

15 posted on 10/25/2006 9:37:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: lesser_satan; SunkenCiv
"This may be too recent in history for a GGG ping, but I'm pinging you anyway."

Thanks, it's late. I'll let SunkenCiv decide.

16 posted on 10/25/2006 9:39:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: guinnessman; CWOJackson

Croatoan.

Indian tribe.


17 posted on 10/25/2006 9:39:20 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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To: blam

I read once that it was proposed to do that but I got distracted after that and don't know. I suppose I should do some internet searching now.


18 posted on 10/25/2006 9:40:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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Thanks. You saved me from having to load up and fast forward through the movie.

Just to be plain, my wife bought it!

19 posted on 10/25/2006 9:40:51 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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CROATAN

I believe there was a tribe or band whose name (unwritten, of course) was believed to sound like what that spelling represented ca 1600.

20 posted on 10/25/2006 9:42:23 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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