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I just watched 'Meet the Depressed' this AM with John Edwards and the first portion of Fox News Sunday with Sen Webb---this election is already about the War on Terror. I just think that the tide will turn in Iraq and leave a lot of Dems and some Republicans scrambling in Nov 08 to explain how they could have been so wrong in their opposition to the War.
1 posted on 02/04/2007 8:53:03 AM PST by flixxx
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The tide won't turn until the press says it turned. In other words, it won't turn.


2 posted on 02/04/2007 8:54:55 AM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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http://online.logcabin.org/news_views/articles/log-cabins-guerriero-talks.html

Log Cabin's Guerriero Talks Aggressive Strategy
by Paul Schindler
Gay City News - January 4, 2006

“We reached a point in the gay and lesbian civil rights movement where we need to expect more than mediocrity from the people we support. That was a threshold for us,” said Patrick C. Guerriero, president of the national Log Cabin Republicans, in explaining the group’s decision in 2004 not to endorse the re-election of President George W. Bush. “It actually sent an important message to our Democratic friends. Don’t you think we ought to expect something from the people our Democratic and left-leaning groups support?”

(snip)

Guerriero, who is based in Washington, offered this asessment in a wide-ranging, 90-minute interview with Gay City News in New York on December 29.

Guerriero explained that Bush’s decision to make a federal anti-gay marriage amendment a centerpiece of his 2004 campaign—which he attributed to the president’s political guru Karl Rove—was critical in the Log Cabin decision not to endorse him, announced right after the Republican National Convention early last September.

“There is a price to be paid in Washington when you don’t endorse an incumbent president,” he said.” But looking back on history, we felt there needed to be some stakes in the ground and we felt as an organization that we needed to say, ‘Enough is enough. You can’t have our support on Election Day. It isn’t automatic.’”

(snip)

One issue that Log Cabin believes it can help decide is the ongoing campaign against the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy. Noting that politicians are way behind the public on this issue, Guerriero said, “It’s going to be a Nixon goes to China thing. Ultimately, it will take a veteran who is respected by the military… Some of our greatest champions on this might surprise people over the next five years—a group of GOP senators with military credentials. And that group that may include [Nebraska’s] Chuck Hagel and others who are not there yet but may be willing to take another look.”

His work, however, is not solely, or even primarily, focused in Washington, Guerriero said, noting that his organization has more chapters nationwide—over 90 are listed on its Web site—than any other LGBT organization. Log Cabin, he said, is situated to change “hearts and minds in red states.”

“The reality is that the history and the foundation of the LGBT movement has been largely fueled by the progressive base and by courageous Democrats who broke through within one political party,” Guerriero said. “That’s wonderful and it got us to the 20-yard line. My vision for the Log Cabin was that I look at this as a community bipartisan effort. To get us into the end zone, it’s going to require the courageous young lesbian in Kentucky meeting with her city councilor or the young Republican to come out in Nebraska.”

(snip)

The Log Cabin leader said that on the House side, there are between 35 and 40 Republicans—out of 220—who are “with us on most issues.” That includes 30 members of the GOP who voted early in December to support a federal hate crimes bill that included protections for transgendered Americans as well as gays and lesbians. On the Senate side, 12 Republicans out of 55 either cast a procedural vote or expressed sentiment opposing the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004. A total of 18 have voted in favor of hate crimes legislation.

(snip)


3 posted on 02/04/2007 9:00:35 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Chuck Hagel is a self-promoting backstabber. "The Street" in Nebraska says his battlefield experience gives him bona fides the other war critics lack.

Horsecrap.

Hagel has to know better than anyone that our withdrawl from Vietnam -- and the ensuing slaughter -- was a political move, not a military one. Now he's condemning us to repeat the same mistake in Iraq.

He learned absolutely nothing from his battlefield experience, except how to play to an audience.

4 posted on 02/04/2007 9:01:22 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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Hagel for President

Of Venezuela.

It would be a net gain for all.

5 posted on 02/04/2007 9:01:27 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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My socialist Mom LOVES Hagel. That's reason enough not to vote for him!


6 posted on 02/04/2007 9:02:23 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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only in Washington is it considered courageous for a politician to criticize a war that he voted for when it was popular but that public opinion has since turned against. And to do so by offering a "resolution" that has no force of law and is thus meaningless except for the message of American irresolution it sends to our enemies.

No question that Hagel lives in an altered universe.

8 posted on 02/04/2007 9:05:04 AM PST by Brilliant
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This is some kind of joke right. Huh, yeah I thought so. He is a total embarrassment to society and thats being nice.
10 posted on 02/04/2007 9:10:28 AM PST by Lacey13
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Who's Hagel??


Is that another name for Barack Obama?


11 posted on 02/04/2007 9:15:06 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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This election hasn't even started yet.

Republicans need to beat Democrats around the head and chest DAILY with accusations they're defeatists.

Every day. Every Republican. Needs to be calling every quitting Democrat a defeatist. Republicans are for some reason locked in a sort of dignified silence, which might have worked when there are no emotional issues facing the voting public. That's not the case right now.

The coming election is going to be decided by Jerry Springer viewing potatoheads who respond to trash talk.

Democrats get that.

Republicans seem to think they were elected because they act nice. They're going to lose by acting nice, if they don't get with the program and start to speak their minds.

GO AMERICA


14 posted on 02/04/2007 9:28:00 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Mr. President: PARDON NACHO AND JOSE!)
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When I was young and in High School my Government teacher raved of how he liked Chuck.

I wish I could go back and slap my teacher upside the head.
17 posted on 02/04/2007 9:48:20 AM PST by SomethingTopher (Blink 182 isn't just a band, it's Nancy Pelosi's per-minute average.)
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"Hagel for President"? What a joke! Heck no, hell no, ain't gonna happen, no FReepin' way. The man went to the darkside and if that traitor wants a new job, let the Democrats get him one.


20 posted on 02/04/2007 10:09:51 AM PST by Chena
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It is time to send Benedict Hagel a white flag - the newly adopted standard of the Liberal Traitors (and most Democraps)!


25 posted on 02/04/2007 10:41:09 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: flixxx; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; zbigreddogz; JohnnyZ; ...

HAGEL FOR RETIREMENT!!!!


27 posted on 02/04/2007 10:54:49 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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The choices are coming down to the bad, the worse, and the ugly.


28 posted on 02/04/2007 10:57:03 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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"I just think that the tide will turn in Iraq and leave a lot of Dems and some Republicans scrambling in Nov 08..."

It will take Divine intervention, but that's what we prayer warriors ought to be asking the Lord for every day. He can overcome our mistakes and frailities and secure victory, if He wills.


36 posted on 02/04/2007 11:24:31 AM PST by kittymyrib
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I'm afraid that Hagel may turn out to be the Perot of 2008. He's definitely barmy enough.

Regards, Ivan

41 posted on 02/04/2007 12:04:42 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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Hagel is just another liberal. He needs to join the RAT party, because that's where he belongs!!
44 posted on 02/04/2007 12:24:32 PM PST by NRA2BFree (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008! HE IS AN HONEST CONSERVATIVE!!)
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