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Overkill (New York Times defends Zumbo, Attacks FreeRepublic in Editorial)
New York Times ^ | 3/3/07 | NYT Editorial Board

Posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:46 PM PST by CondiRice08

A famous hunter and outdoorsman recently voiced misgivings about people who use assault rifles to kill prairie dogs. “Assault rifle” is a much touchier term. It is generally understood to be the kind of gun that soldiers use in wars and terrorists use on the evening news. But the gun lobby despises “assault rifle,” considering it a false, scary label tacked onto perfectly legitimate weapons by people who want to take away others’ rights. That is a debate for another day. “Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist,” he wrote, “but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.” He added: “To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let’s divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.” Until he wrote that, Mr. Zumbo was one of the most admired hunters in America, a widely read magazine writer with his own cable TV program and lots of lecture appearances and corporate sponsorships. He of all people should have known that “ban” is the mother of all fighting words to gun zealots. His 250-word posting caused a huge eruption on gun blogs, and Mr. Zumbo instantly became their second-most-hated man, after the gun-control advocate James Brady. He lost his blog, was dumped by Outdoor Life magazine and was disowned by the National Rifle Association, after 40 years of membership. His corporate sponsors, including the gunmaker Remington, ditched him. His cable show was canceled. The N.R.A. issued a chilling statement warning Congress to take heed of Mr. Zumbo’s fate. By the time Blaine Harden told his story in The Washington Post, Mr. Zumbo was professionally dead. The paranoia and gloating that Mr. Zumbo’s name has evoked on gun discussion boards like ar15.com and freerepublic.com speak for themselves.p>

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: banglist; frinthenews; mediabias; zumbo
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To: CondiRice08

"...they might have asked Mr. Zumbo what he was talking about. They might even have had a healthy debate."

Uh-hugh. Let's find out why someone that owns a particluar object is a terrorist? No, a better debate is at hand--why does the de-facto paper of record for the US have such low standards. Zumbo got thumped and needed it. He was thumped by his marketplace. He is a fool that wants to promote the idea that hunting is a fraternity of which he has the power of cersure.


121 posted on 03/04/2007 6:58:57 AM PST by Neo-Luddite
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To: CondiRice08

"...they might have asked Mr. Zumbo what he was talking about. They might even have had a healthy debate."

Uh-hugh. Let's find out why someone that owns a particluar object is a terrorist? No, a better debate is at hand--why does the de-facto paper of record for the US have such low standards. Zumbo got thumped and needed it. He was thumped by his marketplace. He is a fool that wants to promote the idea that hunting is a fraternity of which he has the power of cersure.


122 posted on 03/04/2007 6:59:07 AM PST by Neo-Luddite
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To: KC_Conspirator

Don't quite copy. Please clarify.


123 posted on 03/04/2007 7:03:29 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: CondiRice08
As a Freeper I'm outraged at Mr. Zimbo, er, Zumbo. Zumbo?

I mean I never heard of him, never saw a single post about him in countless hours of reading FreeRepublic, but still, apparently, according to the New York Times, I'm outraged. ("Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble.")

124 posted on 03/04/2007 7:22:35 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: CondiRice08

I love how all the liberals are racing to this man's defense all of a sudden when they didn't even know or care who the hell he was up until a nanosecond before the crap hit the fan regarding his remarks.

This is just another consequence of his stupid remarks. He gave the antis a club to hit gun owners over the head with for as long as they can use it.


125 posted on 03/04/2007 7:23:00 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: CondiRice08

Guns are Good. Nice discussion.

PRay for W and Our Troops


126 posted on 03/04/2007 7:24:09 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Tehran)
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To: headstamp

The distance from fool to tool is quite small in lib land. Witness Cindy Sheehan.

127 posted on 03/04/2007 7:24:42 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: CondiRice08

Dear NY SLIMES: While you keep failing to understand the US Constitution, we will keep sending you the scalps of the like-minded. No apology is made for denying you the ability to use the words of a "respected gun-rights advocate" to push for gun control - you are just going to have to put more effort into playing the role of the Useful Idiot for the Democrats. No soup for you.


128 posted on 03/04/2007 7:24:55 AM PST by M203M4 (What others can wound, only socialism can destroy.)
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To: caveat emptor
Now that's the picture of a rugged outdoorsman who can appreciate this whole subject if I've ever seen one. LOL
129 posted on 03/04/2007 7:26:16 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: CondiRice08
Yep, the NYT believes that anyone who would be concerned by an AW ban is a paranoid extremist and a nut. As do many powerful Democrats.

It's a shame about Zumbo but he should have known not to say something like that in his column. Now he'll have to go into rehab ;)

130 posted on 03/04/2007 9:09:48 AM PST by Sender (Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.)
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To: sig226

I was just addressing the "assault weapon" angle, but you're right about "sniper" rifles being next.

It's all about incrementalism.


131 posted on 03/04/2007 9:18:47 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Domandred
You're 100% correct. And you can bet the 'Slimes' didn't omit the language in question by accident...
132 posted on 03/04/2007 10:53:13 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: Who is John Galt?

Apparently I wasn't 100% correct. He did sort of take back the "terrorist" part in his apology on Ted Nugent's board. That didn't get reported anywhere though.

So lets say 90% correct.


133 posted on 03/04/2007 11:02:52 AM PST by Domandred
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To: angkor

Ever been to Zabar's?


134 posted on 03/04/2007 11:55:47 AM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Disambiguator
The Letters of Marque and Rebuke would by extension allow a private company to own nukes. Big nukes. And if they can care for them safely, they should be able to do so.

To outlaw completely weapons and hazards without changing the Constitution, is in itself by itself, outlawry. We have an outlaw federal government in that regard.

135 posted on 03/04/2007 12:00:04 PM PST by bvw
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To: EQAndyBuzz

"I think he knows the difference."

I sincerely doubt that. This poster prattled on, in a complimentary manner, about the reasoning for Giuliani's position on the 2A and didn't even know the language of the amendment, let alone the meaning of it. I don't think he's ever even touched a firearm of any kind, let alone actually fired one.


136 posted on 03/04/2007 12:10:21 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Huber

Zeeba Naybor


137 posted on 03/04/2007 2:04:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

??


138 posted on 03/04/2007 3:00:32 PM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber

139 posted on 03/05/2007 4:17:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Huber

140 posted on 03/05/2007 4:17:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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