[Neo-Luddite]

Gee, I wish "Lil' Richie and Blago" was the name of a Sunday Comic instead of a way of life in Illinois. Mr. Chapman has more than a glimmer and spark of thoughtfulness and yet gibes me pause to hope.

[kjo]

Funny, ain't it, how this decision has received almost no attention in the MSM? Think maybe the liberals think if they ignore it, it'll go away?

[2harddrive]

Yes..the Supremes erred IN FACT when they said a sawed-off shotgun was not a useful mitlita weapon - they were too ignorant to know how many had been used in WWI. But, part of the problem was that only the Fed.Gov was there...neither the defendant NOR his lawyers were there to present ANY defense. The case was moot...he was dead.

[wolfpat]

There are government agencies that have been ignoring the Constitution for years. Heck, even the existence of some if them violates the Constitution. If the SCOTUS rules the wrong way on this, it just might be time to show them what the Second Amendment is for. The Constitution, as amended, MUST be reestablished as the law of the land if we're to survive.

[Graybeard58]

"And trying to determine what the framers meant is hard because they barely discussed the right and what it might entail."

B.S. they had a lot to say about the second amendment:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1802411/posts

[BenLurkin]

Jimmy Hoffa of constitutional provisions--

Actually that would be the Tenth Amendment.

[geo40xyz]

Without the 2nd Amendment there will be NO Constitute, try it and feel the pain.

[umgud]

Gun Control Committee Chambers

[Repeal The 17th]

The article says:
"...In its last significant 2nd Amendment case, in 1939, the court didn't
exactly say there was no individual right. Instead, it said the firearm at issue,
a sawed-off shotgun, would not be of use to someone serving in a militia..."

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That is fairly close, but not exactly accurate.
In UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)
You Can Read It Here
They DID NOT SAY the weapon did not have any military use,
They said NO EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED TO SHOW
that the weapon had any military use.
I think that is an important difference to note.

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This is what was actually said:
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use
of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length
at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation
or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that
the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such
an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this
weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use
could contribute to the common defense."

[XRdsRev]

In order to understand the meaning of the Second Amendment, it helps to look at the various manifestations of it before it was ratified.....

New Hampshire Proposed Amendments to the Constitution - Twelfth, Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion.

New York Proposed Amendments to the Constitution - That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State;

North Carolina Proposed Amendments to the Constitution - 17. That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Pennsylvania Proposed Amendments to the Constitution - 7. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.

Virginia Proposed Amendments to the Constitution - Seventeenth, That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the Community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the Civil power.

James Madison's Proposed Amendments offered to Congress - The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

George Mason's Master Draft of the Bill of Rights - "That the People have a Right to keep and to bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free State; that Standing Armies in Time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided as far as the Circumstances and Protection of the Community will admit; and that in all Cases, the military should be under strict Subordination to, and governed by the Civil Power."

Select Committee's Proposed Amendments as reported to Congress - "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."

Proposed Amedments Passed by the House of Representatives - ARTICLE THE FIFTH.A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.

Proposed Amendments Passed by the Senate - ARTICLE THE FOURTH.A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Proposed Amendments sent by Congress for Ratification by the States - Article the fourth . . . A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[taxed2death]

As to what the "intention" or the "meaning" of the second amendment actually refers too....all one has to do is take a 15 second glance at various State's Constitutions, more specifically in New England. There is no mistaking it was primarily for self defense.

[goldstategop]

I don't think we will see all 30,000 gun control laws struck off the books in this country. But absolute private gun ownership bans like the one in DC will fall by the wayside as they deserve to be. Let's hope the U.S Supreme Court agrees there is an individual RKBA guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus