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Philosophers and 'South Park'
http://www.townhall.com/ ^ | Wednesday, March 28, 2007 | Brent Bozell III

Posted on 03/27/2007 10:59:35 PM PDT by chasio649

From time to time, we hear about zany professors of popular culture using their academic credentials to elevate the most aggressively offensive and potty-mouthed TV shows into the Great Works of Western Civilization. What causes these bookworms in academe to slither around trying to intellectualize our cultural rubbish? It's like getting a master's degree in restroom graffiti. Can you really compare "South Park" to Socrates?

That's exactly what happens in a new book titled "South Park and Philosophy." I have no idea who would read all the way through this laughable exercise in excuse-making. The first essay is a riot all by itself. William W. Young III, listed as an associate professor of humanities at Endicott College in Beverly, Mass., has titled his essay "Flatulence and Philosophy." The title fits.

Maybe this fellow also delivers lectures on the subject. That's some bang for the buck for parents forking over $31,628 annually to send their child to this sorry excuse for a college.

Young mocks those who find "danger" in "South Park." The only danger, he asserts, is its "depiction of dialogue and free thinking." He believes the perpetually profane Comedy Central cartoon, like Socrates, "harms no one," but provides an education, to "instruct people and provide them with the intellectual tools they need to become wise, free and good."

Citing Socrates, Young says those uptight people who find harm in this television show are inherently opposed to questioning, and questioning things is the source of all wisdom. Many powerful people in Athens found Socrates dangerous because his questioning would "undermine their bases for power."

Young praises the "nonconformist, reflective virtue" of the questioning children of "South Park," and then conflates the chronically clueless parent characters with parents in real life: "The parents of 'South Park' corrupt the children far more than a television show ever could. Like the Athenians, the adults don't know as much as they think they know." In the show, when adults address the children, "the adult usually sounds like a bumbling idiot."

The good professor seems to have no concept that it's the writers of "South Park" who make a living from putting bumbling idiocy on television.

How do professors like this stoop to the bizarre idea that children can be enlightened by a show that labors to fit 160 uses of the S-bomb into a half-hour? A show that delights in having Jesus Christ defecate on President Bush with his "yummy, yummy crap"? How can you elevate that into the idea that watching "South Park" should really be seen as a correspondence course, like Newt Gingrich's "Renewing American Civilization" series?

Young insists we're supposed to be wiser than what's obvious, what's staring at us and screaming at us from the TV set. We're supposed to be swept along by the siren song of Sigmund Freud, who argued that the use of vulgarity is merely verbalizing the drives and desires that we often repress, and that laughter at crude jokes allows us to release our harmful inhibitions.

"This is what makes the show's crudeness so essential," Young argues. It creates a "space" for discussion that keeps us from transforming our repression into violence or social exclusion. "South Park" is, in his estimation, as one of his headings declares, the "Talking Cure for Our Culture." It's much more like a communicable disease.

Young then attempts to argue that "Terrance and Philip," an infantile cartoon within the infantile cartoon, is really one of the better offerings in television: "Is 'Terrance and Philip' really more vapid, crude and pointless than 'Jerry Springer' or 'Wife Swap'? Is it more mindless than Fox News, 'The 700 Club' or 'Law and Order'? The answer is no." He then claims what offends South Park critics is "not that the show is vulgar and pointless, but that it highlights the mindlessness that is television in general."

This is where Young really makes a joke out of himself. Everything on television is mindless in general, and he can make no fine distinctions? To be charitable, comparing "Law and Order" to "South Park" is roughly equivalent to comparing Einstein to your garden-variety grade-school class clown. Or your favorite professor to this walking insult to academe.

There is an ocean of difference between the entertaining and enlightening excellence that the discriminating viewer can find occasionally on television and the mindless drivel that often airs on Comedy Central. But some philosophy professors are too lost in an academic hall of mirrors to notice.


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To: acad1228

The look on his face reminds me of someone who can't quite figure out that the stench he is smelling is coming from his own rear.


121 posted on 03/28/2007 11:48:22 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: Andonius_99

LOL. I'll bring my hunting bow.


122 posted on 03/28/2007 11:49:20 AM PDT by conserveababe (A conservative woman can kick a liberal man's ass any day.)
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To: chasio649

That is South Park's saving grace, it's not PC. I wouldn't even watch the show if it's pure junk or liberal/socialist junk.

Brent maeks a good point but screwed up. The trashing on this thread has been unfair and only hinges on the fact that SP is on our side (roughly).


123 posted on 03/28/2007 12:51:45 PM PDT by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

"...it would be a whole lot better than a lot of the courses we have now."

That is true, but ti's like asking whether you prefer beer in a cracked, leaky gaudy mug or one made out of baked bat guano. You'd opt for the gaudy one but wish you have a proper beer mug.

It would be nice to entertainingly destroy PC without going to the gutter or resorting to mindless violence. As much as I like SP, it is not in anyway shape or form the pinnacle of American entertainment. We've had better and hope we will again.


124 posted on 03/28/2007 12:55:45 PM PDT by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: Killborn
That is true, but ti's like asking whether you prefer beer in a cracked, leaky gaudy mug or one made out of baked bat guano.

I'll take the cracked one, assuming the latter means PC. I can't see any way we're getting rid of the guano any time soon, so might as well tell the kids "No, bat guano does not make for a good coffee cup."

125 posted on 03/28/2007 1:12:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sigh, the choices we have.


126 posted on 03/28/2007 1:21:55 PM PDT by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: Killborn
Sigh, the choices we have.

That's what I think every election. :)

127 posted on 03/28/2007 1:36:24 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

We make do with what we can. But it's going to be tough. Too many conservatives have fallen for at least one tenet of liberalism.


128 posted on 03/28/2007 2:10:56 PM PDT by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: Lx
I bet he wasn't too fond of the episode, "Scott Tennerman must Die".

Well if he wasn't, he was obviously never a little fat kid.

129 posted on 03/28/2007 3:03:23 PM PDT by murdoog
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To: conserveababe
[I wore military fatigues on school camping trips, but I like South Park and I snuck into the boys' tent at night.]


That post took me by surprise until I noticed your screen name and then looked at the picture on your 'about' page.

And the mental image I got of you beating up a liberal weener like John Edwards (or shooting an arrow into his butt) made me smile.
<:^)
130 posted on 03/28/2007 3:20:25 PM PDT by spinestein (There is no pile of pennies so large that I won't throw two more on top.)
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To: carton253
Well, you obviously disagree with the episode.

But, you do seem to understand that they were trying to make a point. There are way too many who don't understand that there was a reason they did what they did. Many critics saw it as ridiculing Jesus, and that was it.

131 posted on 03/28/2007 4:31:22 PM PDT by technochick99 (www.YourDogStuff.com)
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To: chasio649; All
In 1729, Jonathan Swift wrote satirical pamphlet - A Modest Proposal,. Aside from Gulliver's Travels, A Modest Proposal is probably his best known work.

In his essay A Modest Proposal, Swift took the position that poor Irish families should sell their children to be eaten. In essence he proposed this would be a “win-win” as the English landlords in Ireland would get an excellent meal and the children sold for meat would provide much needed income for the poor Irish families so recently disposed of their farms by those same English landlords. (After all, they, the Irish, being inferiors to their English land owners and Papists to boot, had too many children to feed and support any way).

In his essay, Swift even included recommendations for cooking the children; (“A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout”.

He also proposed how Irish families would actually benefit from this arrangement economically. Swift, in his peice of satire, exposed not only the economic and political injustices of his time, but also contemporary prejudices against Papists (Catholics). He made his point by taking the opposite position and taking that position to its most extreme, but rather logical conclusion.

In his day Swift was harshly criticized for writing in very “bad taste” and many in his time lost the irony of the satire and really thought he was proposing cannibalism.

I’m not saying that SP is in the same literary tradition as Swift as far as use of language and prose, but Matt and Trey are following Swift’s tradition of satire for a new generation. What Swift proposed in 1729 was probably just as, or perhaps even more offensive to the sensibilities of his time as the satire of SP is today.

Does SP make me cringe? Yes. Does SP offend me sometimes? Yes! Does SP make me think? Yes, and I am so very glad they do. Some people just don’t get satire.
132 posted on 03/28/2007 6:14:56 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I am Zelda - Queen of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: flashbunny

Kinda like the Uncle F'er song in their movie of a movie that had the movie-movie audiance leaving the theater ( w/ accompanied minors) about the same time actual parents were leaving with their accompanied minors. The Irony is not lost on the rest of us.

In a similar vain, the great "Three Kinds of People" speach. Expressing the profound in the disgustingly profaine...the ideas expressed would actually make a rather insightful position paper.

Humor is a weapon.


133 posted on 03/28/2007 9:05:47 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: chasio649

Closer to Socrates than all the hordes of the Tenured.


134 posted on 03/28/2007 9:08:13 PM PDT by bvw
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To: conserveababe

I must say, that's one thing I like about FReeper women...always a good retort (that, and they can take a joke)! :)


135 posted on 03/29/2007 5:43:38 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: carton253
To me, there is just One who should be free from that type of humor.

They weren't making a joke, they were making a point -- the point that the "powers that be" had no problem showing the offensive images, even to the point of the blasphemy depicted on the portrayal of Jesus, but that the same powers were too craven to allow ANY depiction of Mohammad, let alone an offensive or obscene one.

It was an amazing depiction of the media's double-standard, where offensive language and imagery against Christian beliefs is deemed acceptable, but the Islamic nutjobs must be appeased at any cost.

136 posted on 03/29/2007 5:54:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (WARNING: The above post may contain sarcasm... if unsure, please remember to use all precautions)
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To: peggybac
"How can anyone criticize that which gave us Butters?"

Or Mr. Hankey!

Or the towel that is always high on marijuana?

137 posted on 03/29/2007 7:11:11 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: conserveababe
"...I have never seen any show with a laugh track that was truly funny...

That in itself is a deep, philosophical observation, and oh-so-true.

It is reminiscent of Shakespeares' "Methinks thou dost protest too much", kinda, but more akin to "I think you are trying too hard to convince me that this visual tripe is indeed funny".

138 posted on 03/29/2007 7:16:32 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: carton253
"...So, far I'm the Taliban..."

I'll go one further: You are a sentient, bioengineered towel who escaped from his military handlers and constantly smokes marijuana.

139 posted on 03/29/2007 7:21:51 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: Pajamajan

I thought the sex scene was over the top grossness too. Especially the copraphilia.


140 posted on 03/29/2007 7:29:16 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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