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Will auld acquaintance be forgot as Scots go it alone?
The Times (London, UK) ^ | March 31, 2007 | Martin Fletcher

Posted on 03/31/2007 8:56:20 PM PDT by GMMAC

Will auld acquaintance be forgot as Scots go it alone?
30 years ago Gordon Brown was the toast of student radicals in Edinburgh. Now he is seen as part of the Establishment — and out of touch with the Scotland’s new direction.

Martin Fletcher
timesonline.co.uk
March 31, 2007


In 1974 Gordon Brown was Rector of Edinburgh University, elected after a campaign that featured the “Brown Sugars” — girls sporting miniskirts and T-shirts emblazoned “Gordon for Me”.

I was a first-year student, and remember him as a striking figure with long black hair and trenchcoat, surrounded by acolytes. He was intense and ambitious, but he also lived with Princess Margarita of Romania, threw celebrated parties and enjoyed an almost glamorous reputation.

As editor of Student, besides filling the pages with bare flesh, his great scoop was to catch the university lying about its investments in apartheid South Africa. He used the rectorship — traditionally a ceremonial post — to flay a fusty university establishment. When Sir Michael Swann, the principal, sought to stop him chairing meetings of the University Court, the Duke of Edinburgh, the university’s chancellor, intervened: Princess Margarita was the Duke’s goddaughter.

While the young firebrand was shaking up Edinburgh, another movement was shaking up Scotland. Buoyed by the discovery of North Sea oil, the Scottish Nationalist Party won 11 Westminster seats that October, and forced Harold Wilson’s weak and panicky Labour Government to concede a referendum on devolution in 1979 that only narrowly failed.

Three decades on, Mr Brown will shortly become my prime minister, not rector, and the SNP is surging again. A poll for The Times this week suggested that the party was heading for a victory in the Scottish Parliament elections on May 3, paving the way for a referendum on independence by 2010. But today it is Mr Brown who represents an unpopular Establishment in distant London, Mr Brown who looks out of step with Scottish public opinion, and Mr Brown who faces the prospect — albeit remote — of finding himself prime minister of a foreign country. How the wheel has turned.

Back in the 1970s Edinburgh was an austere place that even the Bay City Rollers struggled to enliven. Pubs shut at 10pm and never opened on Sundays. Staid life assurance companies pottered along in genteel Charlotte Square. The economy was wretched. The city felt cut off from the world. It was an uncomfortable place to be an English student. The Scottish nationalism of those days was angry, confrontational and fiercely antiEnglish, as summed up by the SNP slogan: “It’s Scotland’s oil”.

The theatrical sensation of 1974 was John McGrath’s play The Cheviot, the Stag and the Black, Black Oil, which charted the exploitation of Scotland from the 19th-century Highland clearances to the plundering of North Sea oil. English students were resented, and regularly told that we were taking Scottish students’ places.

Today, behind its immutable granite face, Edinburgh is a city transformed. It is cosmopolitan and fun. Dismal bars and corner shops selling that peculiarly disgusting Scottish invention, the bridie, have been replaced by fancy pubs and classy alfresco restaurants. The Grassmarket, Seventies refuge of down-and-outs, is now hip. The breweries, whose sickly smell blanketed the city, have gone. You hear foreign accents everywhere, and can fly directly to Europe and America without changing in London.

Edinburgh has become Europe’s fifth biggest financial centre, employing 135,000 people. The Royal Bank of Scotland is a world top-ten bank with a market capitalisation larger than Coca-Cola. Elegant New Town houses sell for a million or two.

Gavin Don, a Scot who returned from London to set up a corporate finance business in 1994, says that as an Edinburgh student in the 1970s he used to play Porsche-spotting. “You could go a whole year and not see one. Now they are two a penny. Bentleys are pretty commonplace, and Rolls-Royces are not unheard of.” There is a cultural revival, too. The Scottish executive is pouring money into the arts. The bestselling authors Iain Rankin, Iain Banks, Alexander McCall Smith, Irvine Welsh and J.K. Rowling all live in or near the city. Its once-proud publishing industry is booming again.

Where Edinburgh leads, the rest of Scotland is slowly following. The country still has pockets of intense poverty, but its unemployment rate has fallen below the UK average, its per capita GDP is higher than most English regions, and two decades of steady population decline have been reversed.

As self-confidence has risen so the nature of Scottish nationalism has changed. It is more positive, less Anglophobic. It emphasises future potential, not past grievances. It asks merely for Scotland to be liberated so it can prosper within the European Union like a dozen other countries as small or smaller. Indeed, the EU allows Scotland to break away from England without condemning itself to isolation on Europe’s northern fringe.

Alex Salmond, the SNP’s wily leader, is still demanding the repatriation of North Sea oil revenues and the removal of nuclear missiles from the Clyde. But as he seeks to portray his party as mainstream, not extreme, he emphasises a desire for cooperation not confrontation with Westminster, and avoids overt England-bashing. He says an independent Scotland would keep the Queen and the pound.

In St Andrew Square I asked a dozen Scots to sum up the English in one word. The answers were not flattering — “pompous”, “egotistical”, “smug”, “arrogant”, “loud”, “pig-headed”. But they were given with smiles, and for all the tales of Scots backing Trinidad and Tobago against England in the football World Cup their antipathy to sassenachs appears more muted. Indeed, Flower of Scotland, the unofficial national anthem, which was written for The Corries in 1967 and celebrates England’s defeat at Bannockburn, seems a little out of tune with the times. “People are a tad embarrassed by it,” one veteran Scottish journalist said.

What has undoubtedly weakened, however, is the Scots’ sense of Britishness. Three hundred years after the Act of Union England and Scotland no longer have a common enemy in France. The British Empire, on which Scotland’s 19th-century prosperity was built, has gone. Memories of Scottish soldiers fighting alongside the English in two world wars have faded. Scottish industries such as shipbuilding and coal that depended on London subsidies have been privatised or closed. Margaret Thatcher’s use of socialist Scotland as a test-bed for hated policies such as the poll tax fuelled Scottish disenchantment with Westminster.

A recent British Social Attitudes Survey found four fifths of Scots consider themselves Scottish first and British second. The Scottish Saltire, flown only by a few wild-eyed radicals in the 1970s, is everywhere in Edinburgh, and the Union Jack has largely disappeared. It does fly outside The Scotsman newspaper — but only at the insistence of Andrew Neil, its former editor-in-chief.

At the same time the much-derided Scottish Parliament, which the Scot George Robertson, a former Defence Secretary, said would kill separatism “stone dead”, appears merely to have fostered a sense of Scottishness. It receives more coverage than Westminster in the Scottish media and The Times poll this week showed 52 per cent of Scots want it to have more power, only 7 per cent less.

The other great change since the 1970s is England’s attitude to Scottish independence. Polls suggest that an idea unthinkable then is today quite popular.

Many English resent Scots receiving £1,500 more per capita in public spending each year, and that the Government requires the support of Scottish MPs to ram through controversial legislation such as university top-up fees and foundation hospitals that do not apply north of the border. They are offended by Scotland’s perceived Anglophobia. The English have yet to back Roger Federer against Andy Murray, but my equally unscientific survey of a dozen English colleagues produced adjectives about the Scots just as unflattering — “difficult”, “chippy”, “aggressive”, “ungrateful”, “angry”, “brooding”.

Few minded if Scotland broke away. As the Saltire flies in Scotland, so the flag of St George has become increasingly common in England. It is as if the Union Jack, like the UK, is breaking down into its constituent parts.

All this leaves Mr Brown in a hole. As a Scot preparing to move into No 10 he needs to reassure the English, and has delivered no fewer than ten speeches or statements on the importance of Britishness since late 2004. He opposes further devolution. The Raith Rovers fan even cited Paul Gascoigne’s goal against Scotland in Euro 96 as a favourite football moment.

But the more Mr Brown champions Britishness, the more out of touch he looks in Scotland — and the more he fuels his compatriots’ disaffection with Labour before next month’s elections.

Scots dislike Tony Blair, whom they consider neo-Thatcherite. They hate his war in Iraq. Today’s equivalent of The Cheviot, the Stag and the Black, Black Oil is The Black Watch, which tells of Scottish soldiers going to fight a pointless war foisted on them by an English Prime Minister. Mr Brown is widely seen in Scotland as the Iraq war’s paymaster.

In Edinburgh in the Seventies, Mr Brown wrote his doctoral thesis on how Labour established itself as the alternative to the Conservatives in Scotland in the early 20th century. Its battle now is to prevent itself being usurped by the SNP.

The stakes are enormous. Were Scotland to gain independence Labour — shorn of its 39 Scottish MPs — would never win power in England again.

Nationalists head for power

–– A Populus poll for The Times this week put the SNP ahead of Labour in both the first-past-the-post and proportional-representation sections

–– The Nationalists are on track to win 50 seats in the 129-seat Scottish Parliament, seven more than Labour. The Lib Dems would have 18 MSPs, the Conservatives 17 and the Greens one

–– A majority of Scots (52 per cent) are in favour of more devolved powers for their Parliament. Just over one in four (27 per cent) backed full independence

–– On the constituency or first-past-the-post vote, the SNP is on 38 per cent; Labour 28; Lib Dems 15; Tories 14; others 6 In the proportional representation section, the SNP is on 35 per cent; Labour 30; Lib Dems 14; Tories 14

Source: www.populuslimited.com


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: gordonbrown; labour; scotland; snp
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Largely posted on a FYI basis.
Most of the understandable sympathy I might otherwise have for the national aspirations of my ancestral homeland are tempered by it apparently now being primarily inhabited by typical left-leaning Euro-trash.
A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago for the new world leaving behind mainly the dregs.
Seemingly this holds true as well when it comes to Ukraine & it's remaining denizens and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Poland & Ireland.

1 posted on 03/31/2007 8:56:21 PM PDT by GMMAC
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2 posted on 03/31/2007 8:57:40 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

What bothers me most about my ancestral 'homeland' is how much Muslim butt they are willing to kiss. :(


3 posted on 03/31/2007 9:18:45 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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Scotland is going to get its independence before Quebec.


4 posted on 03/31/2007 9:29:18 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: GMMAC
A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago...

...or were massacred at Culloden.

5 posted on 03/31/2007 9:57:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GMMAC

The article brings up a decent point that with the rise of the EU, more regions are becoming emboldened to seek out independence, because they could still have the "safety net" of the EU to support them.


6 posted on 04/01/2007 2:01:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

Only around a quarter of the Scottish population wants independence, according to the article. In the last referendum, Quebeckers voted some 49% for independence.


7 posted on 04/01/2007 2:03:44 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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8 posted on 04/01/2007 2:06:23 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: DuncanWaring
A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

...or were massacred at Culloden.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

People think also that all the Scots who came to America to live in freedom were outcasts. That is not entirely true. Many Scots came by organizing and saving their money for pooled land purchases in the USA. In Vermont's Caledonia county there was a land company which saw a whole community migrate from Clan Graham lands to a replica of Scottish topography in Vermont. I live in the heart of it.

These freedom loving Scots left not only to be free from tyranny, but to have their own land, which could only be rented from the Scottish nobility.

The political movement for Scottish independence today is characterized by a quite different sort of animal, which wants a socialist Scotland. Freedom is not the issue today. As you say, those who loved freedom in Scotland,mostly comprised of the Highlanders, transferred that love to America. It is alive and well in Georgia, North Carolina, Vermont , and other places where those of Scottish ancestry descended.

About one third of our founding fathers had the Scots connection and the ancient regard for freedom and independent land ownership, and its dedication to freedom's preservation. George Washington's mother was a Scot.

9 posted on 04/01/2007 2:54:46 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: DuncanWaring
While Culloden - and especially the arbitrary tracked-down murders which took place in its aftermath - is a good example of the genocidal attitude of the English toward the Scots, the current sad state of Scottish society can hardly be attributed to its, at most & including the later killings, 3,000 fatalities. Nor can it truly be laid in large part at the door step of England's well known openly arrogant contempt for her neighbors and criminal lack of due civility which continued unabated in Ireland well into the late 20th century.

My point is best made by the reality that over the past roughly 250 post-Culloden years no recognizable demographic group - with the arguable exception of the Jews - has the disproportionate record, in relation to its own relatively small numbers, of worthwhile contributions to humankind in virtually all fields of endeavor that the Scots enjoy.

Ignoring all of their inventions, etc. and focusing strictly on their role (30+ years after Culloden) in the establishment of America, Scots were involved far, far beyond their actual then percentage of the population as I've documented on my FR home page.

Surely, there isn't a better archetype of the heroic freedom loving expatriates Ive referred to than 1st generation Scots-American Patrick Henry?
10 posted on 04/01/2007 10:38:02 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
"Scotland is going to get its independence before Quebec."

Aside from Quebec - unlike Scotland, - never historically having been a free & independent nation, my dad has always said in the unlikely event it ever does go it will be long after Alberta is gone.

His rationale:
Alberta ha$ every rea$on to go while Quebec ha$ every rea$on to $tay.
11 posted on 04/01/2007 10:47:16 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

And there are many more. Especially if you count Scots-Irish as Scots.


12 posted on 04/01/2007 3:36:13 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
Although, central to the point I'm making is how one defines "Scots-Irish". Many of the illustrious American families - especially in the South! - laying claim to this lineage are the product of intermarriage(s) between arguably the freedom loving cream of both 'races'.
Further, the distinction between them is largely cultural as they're essentially the same Celtic people. As example, the MacDonalds - of the ilk of the legendary "Lord of the Isles" and the de facto 2nd Scots family after the Stuarts* - at one point in their history controlled more territory in Ireland than in Scotland.

The "Scots-Irish" now resident in Northern Ireland are another matter entirely being mainly the descendants of Protestant zealots & opportunists who willingly occupied knowingly stolen lands to assist in England's imperialist machinations on the Emerald Isle.
A 'more English than the English' crypto-Nazi hate-monger like today's Ian Paisely most certainly can't be mentioned in the same breath with the numerous heroic Scots & Irish volunteers who served along side Poland's famed Jan Sobieski when he crushed the hordes of militant Islam at the Gates of Vienna on 9/11 1683!

* not withstanding claims to the contrary from Clan Campbell which entirely owes its prominence to 300+ years as England's principal traitorous Northern toadies.
13 posted on 04/01/2007 5:07:46 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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It's always been a fascinating subject of history to me.


14 posted on 04/01/2007 11:02:42 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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This is true but the movement for Quebec independence has dropped right off at the moment with last week’s provincial election putting the Parti Quebecois in third place. Which is not to say that Quebec separatism could not came back again at some point but right now it is just not popular.


15 posted on 04/04/2007 10:50:23 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: GMMAC
The stakes are enormous. Were Scotland to gain independence Labour — shorn of its 39 Scottish MPs — would never win power in England again.

That sounds like a good thing. Go SNP!

16 posted on 04/04/2007 11:09:25 PM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: GMMAC
Largely posted on a FYI basis. Most of the understandable sympathy I might otherwise have for the national aspirations of my ancestral homeland are tempered by it apparently now being primarily inhabited by typical left-leaning Euro-trash. A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago for the new world leaving behind mainly the dregs. Seemingly this holds true as well when it comes to Ukraine & it's remaining denizens and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Poland & Ireland.

The biggest load of ignorant and racist rubbish I have ever read in my life.

17 posted on 04/05/2007 11:15:24 AM PDT by Jack_Macca
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Suppose for some simple denial is considerably easier than attempting to explain and/or justify their views?
18 posted on 04/05/2007 2:29:55 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

Denial of what? That you are not very bright and pretending to be Scottish?


19 posted on 04/05/2007 2:36:01 PM PDT by Jack_Macca
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To: Jack_Macca
Explaining & being careful to keep it simple:

You copied my initial comment & categorized it as "ignorant and racist rubbish".
Given this is obviously only a contrary opinion, as it contains no facts and/or logic to back it up, calling mere nay-saying "denial" was perfectly accurate.

BTW, since you're plainly new here, take this as FRiendly advice:
If your personal 'style' routinely consists of pointless insults & implying people are liars, you won't last long.
20 posted on 04/05/2007 3:24:50 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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