Will auld acquaintance be forgot as Scots go it alone?

The Times (London, UK) ^ | March 31, 2007 | Martin Fletcher

[GMMAC]

Largely posted on a FYI basis.
Most of the understandable sympathy I might otherwise have for the national aspirations of my ancestral homeland are tempered by it apparently now being primarily inhabited by typical left-leaning Euro-trash.
A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago for the new world leaving behind mainly the dregs.
Seemingly this holds true as well when it comes to Ukraine & it's remaining denizens and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Poland & Ireland.

[GMMAC]

PING!

[Shadowstrike]

What bothers me most about my ancestral 'homeland' is how much Muslim butt they are willing to kiss. :(

[Republic_of_Secession.]

Scotland is going to get its independence before Quebec.

[DuncanWaring]

A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago...

...or were massacred at Culloden.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

The article brings up a decent point that with the rise of the EU, more regions are becoming emboldened to seek out independence, because they could still have the "safety net" of the EU to support them.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Only around a quarter of the Scottish population wants independence, according to the article. In the last referendum, Quebeckers voted some 49% for independence.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

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[Candor7]

A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

...or were massacred at Culloden.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

People think also that all the Scots who came to America to live in freedom were outcasts. That is not entirely true. Many Scots came by organizing and saving their money for pooled land purchases in the USA. In Vermont's Caledonia county there was a land company which saw a whole community migrate from Clan Graham lands to a replica of Scottish topography in Vermont. I live in the heart of it.

These freedom loving Scots left not only to be free from tyranny, but to have their own land, which could only be rented from the Scottish nobility.

The political movement for Scottish independence today is characterized by a quite different sort of animal, which wants a socialist Scotland. Freedom is not the issue today. As you say, those who loved freedom in Scotland,mostly comprised of the Highlanders, transferred that love to America. It is alive and well in Georgia, North Carolina, Vermont , and other places where those of Scottish ancestry descended.

About one third of our founding fathers had the Scots connection and the ancient regard for freedom and independent land ownership, and its dedication to freedom's preservation. George Washington's mother was a Scot.

[GMMAC]

While Culloden - and especially the arbitrary tracked-down murders which took place in its aftermath - is a good example of the genocidal attitude of the English toward the Scots, the current sad state of Scottish society can hardly be attributed to its, at most & including the later killings, 3,000 fatalities. Nor can it truly be laid in large part at the door step of England's well known openly arrogant contempt for her neighbors and criminal lack of due civility which continued unabated in Ireland well into the late 20th century.

My point is best made by the reality that over the past roughly 250 post-Culloden years no recognizable demographic group - with the arguable exception of the Jews - has the disproportionate record, in relation to its own relatively small numbers, of worthwhile contributions to humankind in virtually all fields of endeavor that the Scots enjoy.

Ignoring all of their inventions, etc. and focusing strictly on their role (30+ years after Culloden) in the establishment of America, Scots were involved far, far beyond their actual then percentage of the population as I've documented on my FR home page.

Surely, there isn't a better archetype of the heroic freedom loving expatriates Ive referred to than 1st generation Scots-American Patrick Henry?

[GMMAC]

"Scotland is going to get its independence before Quebec."

Aside from Quebec - unlike Scotland, - never historically having been a free & independent nation, my dad has always said in the unlikely event it ever does go it will be long after Alberta is gone.

His rationale:
Alberta ha$ every rea$on to go while Quebec ha$ every rea$on to $tay.

[Alexander Rubin]

And there are many more. Especially if you count Scots-Irish as Scots.

[GMMAC]

Although, central to the point I'm making is how one defines "Scots-Irish". Many of the illustrious American families - especially in the South! - laying claim to this lineage are the product of intermarriage(s) between arguably the freedom loving cream of both 'races'.
Further, the distinction between them is largely cultural as they're essentially the same Celtic people. As example, the MacDonalds - of the ilk of the legendary "Lord of the Isles" and the de facto 2nd Scots family after the Stuarts* - at one point in their history controlled more territory in Ireland than in Scotland.

The "Scots-Irish" now resident in Northern Ireland are another matter entirely being mainly the descendants of Protestant zealots & opportunists who willingly occupied knowingly stolen lands to assist in England's imperialist machinations on the Emerald Isle.
A 'more English than the English' crypto-Nazi hate-monger like today's Ian Paisely most certainly can't be mentioned in the same breath with the numerous heroic Scots & Irish volunteers who served along side Poland's famed Jan Sobieski when he crushed the hordes of militant Islam at the Gates of Vienna on 9/11 1683!

* not withstanding claims to the contrary from Clan Campbell which entirely owes its prominence to 300+ years as England's principal traitorous Northern toadies.

[Alexander Rubin]

It's always been a fascinating subject of history to me.

[Republic_of_Secession.]

This is true but the movement for Quebec independence has dropped right off at the moment with last week’s provincial election putting the Parti Quebecois in third place. Which is not to say that Quebec separatism could not came back again at some point but right now it is just not popular.

[stillonaroll]

The stakes are enormous. Were Scotland to gain independence Labour — shorn of its 39 Scottish MPs — would never win power in England again.

That sounds like a good thing. Go SNP!

[Jack_Macca]

Largely posted on a FYI basis. Most of the understandable sympathy I might otherwise have for the national aspirations of my ancestral homeland are tempered by it apparently now being primarily inhabited by typical left-leaning Euro-trash. A perception which goes a long way toward confirming my theory that the cream of the race - freedom loving souls who refused to live under foreign tyranny - left long ago for the new world leaving behind mainly the dregs. Seemingly this holds true as well when it comes to Ukraine & it's remaining denizens and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Poland & Ireland.

The biggest load of ignorant and racist rubbish I have ever read in my life.

[GMMAC]

Suppose for some simple denial is considerably easier than attempting to explain and/or justify their views?

[Jack_Macca]

Denial of what? That you are not very bright and pretending to be Scottish?

[GMMAC]

Explaining & being careful to keep it simple:

You copied my initial comment & categorized it as "ignorant and racist rubbish".
Given this is obviously only a contrary opinion, as it contains no facts and/or logic to back it up, calling mere nay-saying "denial" was perfectly accurate.

BTW, since you're plainly new here, take this as FRiendly advice:
If your personal 'style' routinely consists of pointless insults & implying people are liars, you won't last long.