Posted on 03/31/2007 8:56:20 PM PDT by GMMAC
I thought this might interest some of the Canadian Scotland-haters on here:
The long and enduring relationship between Scotland and Canada
“The bonds that tie Scotland and Canada are very strong. There are over four million Canadians who can claim Scots ancestry. Canada’s first Prime Minister, Sir John A Macdonald was a Scot. And many of Canada’s place names, from Renfrew to Bannockburn, have their roots in Scotland.
“Indeed Scots have been making the journey to Canada for over 400 years, helping to shape your history, and your future too.
“Tales of the ancient nation of Scotland - with its misty mountains and glens, and tales of courage and enterprise, are famous the world over.
“But what is not so well known is the story of modern Fresh Talent brings new opportunities Scotland, a confident 21st century country, proud of its traditions, but looking forward to an exciting future. Six years ago Scotland underwent its biggest constitutional change for 300 years. The creation of the Scottish parliament has changed Scotland forever.
“We have a new spring in our step, and a renewed purpose to be strong business, cultural and educational links between and energy. Our young people are confident and ambitious for their country’s future, as well as for their own. the two countries. And they have a lot to be confident about.
“Just as Scotland helped build the modern world, through thinkers such as Adam Smith and David Hume, and inventions such as the telephone and penicillin, then Scotland today is helping to shape our 21st century world.
“In recent years we have give the world the MRI scanner and the ATM machine and we hope to play our part in discovering cures for cancer.
“The foundation stones of our country - our education and legal systems and banking and financial services - are trusted and valued across the world, from China to Sub-Saharan Africa.
“We are home to one of Europe’s biggest life sciences clusters, and our universities publish more academic papers than any other OECD country. We still have some of the world’s most stunning landscapes and our are cities are regarded as some of the most lively and dynamic in Europe.
“As we look forward to the future with confidence, we want to renew old relationships here in Canada and build new ones. We want to develop closer business ties, building on the success of Scottish companies such as the Wood Group here in Canada, and encouraging Canadian companies to follow the example of Mitel and Endpoint and contribute to our growth.
“And we want to strengthen friendships, encouraging our young people to travel across the Atlantic - Scots learning from Canada and Canadians learning from Scotland.
“Above all else we look forward to a further 400 years of friendship with Canada - the country many Scots call home.”
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/News-Extras/scotcanada
The position of the Scots and Scots-Irish who are bastions of Conservatism, Patriotism, Religiosity and success here in the U.S. as compared to the Socialist dregs of modern Sotland speaks for itself.
My, my, you English do go on and on.
Who’s English?
You must lack something if you feel you have to jump into a debate just to insult. LOL
""Britain fought for two years against tyranny alone""
... then replace "hysterical" with "rightly appalled".
So have you given up on the original debate and just want to search through my posts to get hysterical at something not said?
Don’t go over the edge. I would rather say sorry than get you so emotional.
British, English, Scottish, Americans - they’re all Anglo-Saxons to me.
Scots are not Anglo-Saxon, but if you want to change history and genetics that is fine by me.
As long as I can call you German.
Continuing to deny what you plainly said - a claim Britain had no Allies, who thus suffered no casualties, for 2 years during WW2 - as well as your name-calling & general belligerent attitude right from the outset, puts you well beyond any hope whatsoever of not being considered a Troll & treated as one.
Die Franken? Or the Flemish? Well, they were certainly Germanic. But that is long, long ago. And anyway you speak English, and language is the dominant feature of any culture which distinguishes it from all the others. The French don’t speak German. And you have the English Queen. Normandie is not represented in the Bundestag. France and Germany are not as far apart as history has made them out to be, but to an outsider, the difference is clear. No doubt the Bretons are not Provencale, or vice-versa, and the Scottish are not Saxons, but Breton and and Provencale and Alsacien are all French, and English and Scottish are all Anglo-Saxons: common language, common country, common Queen, common government, common concepts of law (if not the same laws).
The Breton are Celts, but they’re French.
The Scottish are Celts, but they’re Anglo-Saxons.
This was all caused by you calling the people of Scotland, Ireland and Ukraine the “dregs”.
You have deliberately tried to avoid this and attempted to obsessively search my past posts to find something to be hysterically offended about. You have embarrassed yourself in front of your fellow Canadians and are now trying to deflect that embarrassment.
I hope in future posts you will refrain from being so obsessive and leave me alone.
Best Wishes, Jack.
How can you be a Celt and an Anglo-Saxon? That is just impossible. An Anglo-Saxon or Celt is a genetic difference, not one of nationality.
As for the British Monarchy, the first British Monarch was not from the English throne, but was the King of Scots. It was the Scottish King who took the English throne and united both crowns, not the other way about.
On speaking English, the Irish speak English, but they are not Anglo-Saxon either. You also speak English - does that mean you are Anglo-Saxon too?
Scotland and England have completely different legal systems, so your shared law part is wrong as well. Britain has two completely different legal systems - Scots Law and English Common Law.
We also have completely different religious and education systems.
I am sorry but because you are not sure of these things doesn’t make them any less factual.
Would you please stop following my posts to others so you can insult me. This obsessiveness against me is not pleasant.
A little disappointing, my crazy, alcohol-loving ancestors. My Grandfather Angus....Obnoxious warfighters, though. Ladies from Hell.
You wrote: “How can you be a Celt and an Anglo-Saxon? That is just impossible. An Anglo-Saxon or Celt is a genetic difference, not one of nationality.”
Who says it is a genetic difference? Anglo-Saxon culture doesn’t run in genes. There was recently a study that said most people in England are predominantly Celtic in origin. So, they speak English (like the Welsh, Irish and Scottish), and perhaps a bit more of the German “leavening” (but then, there is a lot of Scandinavian genetics in both the Scots, especially in the North of Scotland), but still Celts, if one speaks of genetic markers. For that matter, the French are still predominantly Celtic, in the northern half of the country (Langue d’oil) anyway, Alsace and Flanders excepted, perhaps. “Nos ancetres les Gaulois” really ARE, for the most part, our ancestors, and they’re the ancestors of the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish too. So, at least in a genetic sense, we’re all one big happy semi-Celtic northwestern European gemutlichkeit. For that matter, the tribe for which the Teutons got their name, the Teutones, who harrassed the Romans in the first century or so, were living in the southern part of what the Romans called Germania (in what is called Swabia today) and so points north were named after then “Teutonic” by the influence of classical scholars, but the actual Teutones from which the Teutons got their name, were Celts, and not “Teutons” at all.
Celt is the catch-all race for the West of Europe. It’s what was there BEFORE the influx of Scandinavians from the North, Germans from the East, etc. Italians, or rather Romans, for that matter, are probably “Yugo-Celts”. Latin’s closest linguistic relative was ancient Gaulish.
So, what’s a Celt? It’s European ethnic soupstock. It’s the base broth that you toss the rest of the ingredients in...various folks from the East. Did the Celts come from the East? Who knows? Well, actually, of course we know, because Western Europe was under a hundred feet of ice a hundred thousand years ago, so clearly the Celts walked in from the South and East. They didn’t spring forth from the soil!
Were they the FIRST to walk in? Who knows. Were Firbolgs Celts? Basques aren’t, but who was there first? Nobody really knows. Everybody in the British Isles who isn’t a recent arrival from the Empire is a Celt in some degree or other. Scottish and Irish, of course, are less mixed...more soupstock broth, less chunks. But there ain’t been a “purebred” in Europe since, well, ever (ethnic manias of the 19th and early 20th Century not-withstanding).
So, what makes Anglo-Saxons distinctive, such that Scottish, Irish, Welsh, English, Canadians (outside of Quebec), Americans, Australians, New Zealanders, Falkland Islanders and (some) South Africans clearly are? Language is first, but it’s not enough. Ugandans speak English, but they’re not Anglo-Saxons.
Government and ethnicity are very tertiary: Americans have no Queen, but they’re clearly Anglo-Saxons (most of them anyway).
Anglo-Saxons recognize each other as sharing something in common. Language is a key, but there is a kinship that goes beyond that. They can always be expected to hang together on the same side of just about everything, and appreciate each other as somehow kin, in a way that, for example, common Celt-hood does not cause the Scots and French to recognize each other as kin, common civil law systems don’t cause French and Scots to see each other as kin, and common language doesn’t cause Scots and black Zimbabweans to see each other as kin.
Certainly everybody ELSE in the world sees this Anglo-Saxonism. Perhaps it is like the glue that makes Catholics one like another, even though one may be Filipino, one may be Irish and one may be Mexican. It’s not a race or a genetic thing, but a meta-culture.
As for the British Monarchy, the first British Monarch was not from the English throne, but was the King of Scots. It was the Scottish King who took the English throne and united both crowns, not the other way about.
On speaking English, the Irish speak English, but they are not Anglo-Saxon either. You also speak English - does that mean you are Anglo-Saxon too?
Scotland and England have completely different legal systems, so your shared law part is wrong as well. Britain has two completely different legal systems - Scots Law and English Common Law.
We also have completely different religious and education systems.
I am sorry but because you are not sure of these things doesn’t make them any less factual.
I suppose your obsessive web-stalking is a compliment that you want to continue communicating with me.
But, again I ask you nicely can you please stop posting insults at me on FR and leave me in peace. It is quite disturbing that you are searching my posts to be offended at something I didn’t say.
Keep away from me. Thank-you.
Whats wrong , Jack, as a self proclaimed Scot, are you just beginning to realize what American Scots truly are?
We eat your type for breakfast and $hit you out by nightfall.
BTW, you are always welcome to journey over here and retrieve some backbone and tenacity.
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