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War Of The Pyramid Theorists
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4-1-2007 | Yaniv Salama-Scheer - Jorg Luyken

Posted on 04/02/2007 4:37:58 PM PDT by blam

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To: ozzymandus

The French scientist is indeed a scientist. Here’s a page from the website:

http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/pyramids-2-the-evidences


41 posted on 04/03/2007 9:22:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sam Ketcham
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42 posted on 04/03/2007 9:23:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: uglybiker

thanks. :’)

Architect claims to solve pyramid secret
Yahoo News | March 30, 2007 | LAURENCE JOAN-GRANGE
Posted on 03/30/2007 7:57:51 PM EDT by Man50D
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1809556/posts


43 posted on 04/03/2007 9:40:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
The chronology may not work for the Jews to have worked on the great pyramids, but the idea that the Egyptians didn't use slave labor to build them strikes me as pretty far fetched. Slavery was common and accepted in the ancient world.
44 posted on 04/03/2007 9:50:26 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: RightWhale

Yes, and logic is the art of going wrong with confidence


45 posted on 04/03/2007 10:31:07 AM PDT by lmailbvmbipfwedu
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To: SunkenCiv

Do you believe his theory?


46 posted on 04/03/2007 11:09:14 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Drammach

Ant hills with the sides scraped off.


47 posted on 04/03/2007 12:18:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Ant hills with the sides scraped off.


We must live in peace with our Overlords.

48 posted on 04/03/2007 12:41:58 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: GoforBroke
However, Isaiah 19: 19 -20 has this astonishing passage:

That passage has to mean the pyramid - It makes you wonder who really built it, doesn't it?

49 posted on 04/03/2007 2:28:02 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ancient Stone Technology:

http://members.tripod.com/~kon_artz/cultures/cultures.htm

Egypt and the Americas.


50 posted on 04/03/2007 6:23:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum Aussie.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Interesting. Asks a lot of the same questions I ask on occassion.


51 posted on 04/03/2007 6:40:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

http://web.archive.org/web/20041204234426/sunship.com/egypt/articles/hrdfact0.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20060313143638/http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Clamps.html

Questions and more questions...


52 posted on 04/03/2007 6:55:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum Aussie.)
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To: blam

In any article about Egyptian archaeology, I try to see how far into the article I have to go before Zahi Hawass is mentioned.


53 posted on 04/03/2007 6:59:21 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: ozzymandus

It’s plausible, yeah. Right around the time I read about Davidovits in William Corliss’ “Science Frontiers” I bought the first edition of the book (from Bill). Thereabouts I also saw something about the Brazilian gold rush — the miners had taken a small mountain down, until it was not only not there any longer, it was a hole in the ground. And they did that one 40 pound bag at a time, and in less than twenty years, crawling up and down rickety ladders. The way the stones in the pyramids fit together, they are as if poured in place, with just one temporary wood barrier (for the outermost; much of the time none, on corners two, etc). And obviously there is much more in the book.


54 posted on 04/03/2007 9:35:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I read the book, and it was interesting, but I didn’t find it convincing. It’s been years, but as i recall, there were a lot of holes in the theory, such as the quarries, and the fact that the author couldn’t duplicate the “concrete”.


55 posted on 04/03/2007 10:31:12 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

The problem with the quarries is, they don’t exist per se. There are some places that have been the traditional spot where the Giza stones were quarried, but they haven’t held up; the latest claim (that I know of) is that the stone was quarried in situ, right out of the plateau. Davidovits has reproduced the stone (I think it’s at the link) as well as the reconstructed version of the process used.


56 posted on 04/03/2007 11:12:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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in Book II, Herodotus refers to the large "labyrinth" in the Fayyum as surpassing the pyramids:
"...the Labyrinth which lies a little above Lake Moeris, in the neighbourhood of the place called the city of Crocodiles... if all the walls and other great works of the Greeks could be put together in one, they would not equal, either for labour or expense, this Labyrinth... The pyramids likewise surpass description, and are severally equal to a number of the greatest works of the Greeks, but the Labyrinth surpasses the pyramids. It has twelve courts, all of them roofed, with gates exactly opposite one another, six looking to the north, and six to the south. A single wall surrounds the entire building. There are two different sorts of chambers throughout- half under ground, half above ground, the latter built upon the former; the whole number of these chambers is three thousand, fifteen hundred of each kind.

"The upper chambers I myself passed through and saw, and what I say concerning them is from my own observation; of the underground chambers I can only speak from report: for the keepers of the building could not be got to show them, since they contained (as they said) the sepulchres of the kings who built the Labyrinth, and also those of the sacred crocodiles. Thus it is from hearsay only that I can speak of the lower chambers. The upper chambers, however, I saw with my own eyes, and found them to excel all other human productions; for the passages through the houses, and the varied windings of the paths across the courts excited in me infinite admiration as I passed from the courts into chambers, and from the chambers into colonnades, and from the colonnades into fresh houses, and again from these into courts unseen before. The roof was throughout of stone, like the walls; and the walls were carved all over with figures; every court was surrounded with a colonnade which was built of white stones exquisitely fitted together. At the corner of the Labyrinth stands a pyramid, forty fathoms high, with large figures engraved on it, which is entered by a subterranean passage."
Forty fathoms is a height of 240 feet, a considerable mass of material is implied, and even if somewhat exaggerated it would be nice if this facility still existed. The pyramid was made of mud brick and what's left of it still stands, but Herodotus' labyrinth was used as a quarry for centuries and has vanished. Oh well. Ammenemes III built this structure. See Rohl for more info about this pharaoh.
"Wonderful as is the Labyrinth, the work called the Lake of Moeris, which is close by the Labyrinth, is yet more astonishing. The measure of its circumference is sixty schoenes, or three thousand six hundred furlongs, which is equal to the entire length of Egypt along the sea-coast. The lake stretches in its longest direction from north to south, and in its deepest parts is of the depth of fifty fathoms. It is manifestly an artificial excavation, for nearly in the centre there stand two pyramids, rising to the height of fifty fathoms above the surface of the water, and extending as far beneath, crowned each of them with a colossal statue sitting upon a throne. Thus these pyramids are one hundred fathoms high, which is exactly a furlong (stadium) of six hundred feet: the fathom being six feet in length, or four cubits, which is the same thing, since a cubit measures six, and a foot four, palms. The water of the lake does not come out of the ground, which is here excessively dry, but is introduced by a canal from the Nile. The current sets for six months into the lake from the river, and for the next six months into the river from the lake. it runs outward it returns a talent of silver daily to the royal treasury from the fish that are taken, but when the current is the other way the return sinks to one-third of that sum."
In other words, Herodotus was impressed by these works of the 12th dynasty. : ) Evidently it is believed that this clear description of two pyramids in the midst of the lake was the result of Herodotus' having seen the colossi atop each one, but it is clear that Herodotus saw the pyramids rising above the surface. Sesostris III also built a pyramid in the Fayyum, with a mudbrick core and limestone casing, the latter of which has disappeared. The inscriptions described on the Ammenemes III pyramid implies a former limestone casing for that structure as well as a similar fate.
57 posted on 04/04/2007 11:10:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
"The oldest paper ever found was with the Caucasian mummies found in the area of Urumchi, China. It had the extinct Indo-European language Tocharian A written on it."

That is highly unlikely, as the earliest Tocharian A documents date from the 6th century CE, which is centuries after even Cai Lun paper. (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9109781/Tocharian-languages)

On the other hand, we do know of linen paper found in a Han imperial garrison dating from 8 BCE, and it is inscribed with Chinese script. (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-08/08/content_4937457.htm)

Also, even earlier examples of hemp paper found in Han tombs in Shaanxi date from around 140 BCE - 87 BCE. (http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/iha02111.html)
58 posted on 04/05/2007 4:18:36 PM PDT by PuTiDaMo
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59 posted on 06/30/2013 5:49:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: blam

At current rate, the question will become how the pyramids were leveled.

Like with the Afgani ancient giant statues of Buddah, Islamists are gearing up to destroy the pyramids as heretical.


60 posted on 06/30/2013 5:54:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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